With Firefox nothing happens when Ctrl F is pressed, with Explorer the box appears but nothing happens after that?

Salt isn’t mentioned in the article.

When I go to the link in your details and press Ctrl F, I get a fully-functional search box. You might not get the box if you press C F before the page fully loads.

The box turns red after I type the “t” in “salt”, which tells me the word doesn’t appear on that page.

There have been times when Ctrl F didn’t yield a search box por moi.

The last time that happened, I pressed F3 and that didn’t work.

It finally worked when I clicked on the menu (3 horizontal lines) at the right end of the navigation bar, and then clicked on Find (underneath a magnifying glass symbol).

@Dutchess_III I was expecting to find it in Composition segment.
@Brian1946 What browser and OS were you using by the way?
I tried the your last way, “clicked on the menu (3 horizontal lines) at the right end of the navigation bar, and then clicked on Find (underneath a magnifying glass symbol).” and I got:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt

@flo

I used Firefox and Windows XP.

My Ff version is 38.0.5

@Brian1946 Thank you.

I find Explorer seems to do what Firefox can’t sometimes.

It isn’t mentioned in the article I brought up in Explorer, either.

@Dutchess_III In your case something indicated that the word is not there. What is the indicator?

…Is it like swith @Brian1946, the box turns red after typing te letter “t”?

No. That happens in Firefox. In Explorer the indicator is that it pops up and says “No matches found.” So it wasn’t that your “find” feature wasn’t working, it’s that the article didn’t contain the word “salt” anywhere in it.

@Dutchess_III I only know it isn’t there because you and @Brian 1946 are letting me know. But it is supposed to indicate (in whichever way) that it isn’t there. The fact that it doesn’t indicate it means it not functioning properly, it seems to me.

So it doesn’t flash or anything?

As @Dutchess_III mentioned, it says “No matches found” to the right of the Options button (on the same level as the Find bar). Sometimes you have to press enter for it to say that, but regardless – if it doesn’t take you to the word, and there is no count of the number of times the word appears on the page, the word is simply not on the page. So, there are multiple ways to see that it is not found.

Like @Brian1946, as soon as I hit the T, the search box turned red, the bar lust to the right of “Match case” went from “1 of 5 Matched” (since “sal” is in there 5 times) to “Phrase not found” and my computer dinged it’s alert sound. No flashing or pop-ups, just a color change, a ding, and an explanation of why it was dinging.

That was with Firefox 38.0.5 on Win7 Home Premium.

I didn’t try it under IE because I uninstalled that malware vector. The only thing it can do better than Firefox is allow installation of OS-altering code, and it doesn’t always ask permission or even notify the user when doing so, thus allowing all sorts of system subversion. But enough people don’t know any other browser and think any other way of doing stuff is “wrong” that I don’t see it dying a well-deserved death anytime soon.

@jerv Once Windows 10 launches on July 29, IE will continue to exist only on older version of Windows (up through 8.1). So its days really are numbered. (The only reason I haven’t dumped it is my bank’s website and Firefox don’t play nice with each other. Aside from that, I am so over IE.)

@sahID Well, they’re changing the name from IE to Spartan – that doesn’t mean it won’t be IE under the hood. It’s terribly fashionable to hate IE these days, so I suppose they’ve decided the brand isn’t worth keeping. Even though IE is still the most-used browser on the planet.

“It’s terribly fashionable to hate IE these days,” Is it ever.

@dappled_leaves In order to get the Find box to appear what did you use? That is the 1st thing. In Firefox you are supposed to click open menu (the 3 horizontal lines for beginners) then on Find. In IE it appears either way Edit—>Find Ctrl F or with just keys Ctrl F Nothing happens, the other 2 ways either with Firefox. In IE it appears immediately, either way, Edit—>Find Ctrl F or with just keys Ctrl F.

@sahID I agree with @dappled_leaves; it’s still IE under the hood. They are just trying to distance themselves from the stigma attached to IE after the gaping security flaws that were largely due to Microsoft’s insistence that ActiveX was a good thing.

@dappled_leaves “It’s terribly fashionable to hate IE”
I’m a bit of a hipster there in that, like many who know computers, I’ve hated IE before it was cool.

@flo If you’re expecting a dialog, you won’t ever get one; it’s just a menu bar thing at the bottom. I use Ctrl-F all the time though, and it’s worked every time for me for years. Maybe you think it’s not working because you expect a pop-up in the middle of the screen?

@flo Could you please take a screen print so we can all see what you’re talking about?

Yeah- Screen shot, screen shot! ;-D

I found the dialog box at the bottom left of the screen.
Thank you all.

With IE, when you’re done, you just click on the x at the left of the box. How do you remove it in Firefox?

In Firefox, the eXit key is at the right end of the bar.

@Brian1946 I don’t see it at the right end of the bar. But I do see an x at the right end of the screen, which works. Why would it occur to someone to put things away from where it is expected?

You think there should be only one place, all across the board, in all the search engines, where the search field comes up? And what exactly would that one place be?

That is why IE is the most popular browser; people get raised on it and wind up feeling that anything different is somehow wrong, so they stick with what they learned instead of broadening their experiences and skillset by trying different things.

You may expect it mid-screen, @flo, but I’ve seen it done in enough different places that I lack those expectations. And you’re not wrong either, as that is actually pretty common behavior; common enough to be considered normal.

Expectations may also explain why Chrome is more popular than Firefox as it’s simpler and thus doesn’t bombard you with new weirdness the way Firefox tends to.

I think inventors are supposed to make things as user friendly, least time wasting as possible, and think like a regular user. Some things are just logical. No matter how much a brand needs to be different, they shouldn’t drop what is logical. They can be creative in other ways, not this kind of thing. It is perfectly logical the most logical thing to have the x right next to the bar.

That is true, as far as it goes, but you forget that Firefox has been around since before there was such a standard, way back in the ‘90s before the Internet was really mainstream.

The biggest reason Firefox 38.0.5 has the “Find” box where it does is because that’s where it has been since Firefox before it was even Phoenix, all the way back when it was still part of the Mozilla web suite instead of being it’s own separate application. They put it there because that is where Netscape, the forerunner of Mozilla, had it back before IE was even a thing.

As one who has used Netscape/Mozilla/Phoenix/Firefox for so long, if they moved the “Find” box to where IE has it instead of keeping it where it has been for almost 20 years, I’d have the same issues you’re complaining about. I expect Firefox to behave a certain way across time and versions.

So yes, you are correct about consistency, but the reason Firefox puts it elsewhere is because of consistency. Does it make more sense now?

^^^^^(wow)

@Dutchess_III I literally grew up with computers, and I’ve seen a lot of evolution between the TRS-80 and now.

I’d say there’s a user-friendly logic, to having it on the left side for those that read from left to right.

@Brian1946 Yes, there is. Unfortunately, the ability to customize often involves a bit of user-hostility. Some programs simplify the customization abilities to where an end user with little/no programming knowledge can do them, but adding that feature is a lot of work and winds up making the programs larger. Most common in my experience is customization that requires knowledge of XML to edit config files; something that isn’t exactly simple, but only needs doing once.
Linux is a prime example; there are small distros suited only for power-user who are code-monkeys, simplified distros that are far larger but require less from the end user and generally include everything most people want (browser, office suite, media player and codecs…), and many in between that require varying levels of computer expertise. IMO, Mint and Zorin are good compromises as they are designed for average people who are migrating from Windows.

Thank you all.