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People who believe it is shallow to go off looks in dating, are they really clueless or in denial?

Asked by Hypocrisy_Central (26879points) June 19th, 2015

If you take the time to listen to this Freakonomics radio podcast on online dating (the first 8 min says it all), it appears no one thinks of personality 1st when choosing a date. What was revealed was that a hot woman with a nasty disposition can still get 1,000 emails over a nice but homely woman. A hot woman would get four times the response than an average woman, all attributes (job, education, neighborhood, etc.) the same, and 25 times the response of an unattractive woman. Women are no better, two guys equal physically in every way but one earns 50k a year and the other 250k a year, the latter will get 2 ½ the response than the guy who earns less (guess that burger flipper from Mick Ds better get a blowup doll). For anyone try and say looks is not important and it is about personality, the smile, and other gobbledygook, isn’t they in denial or are they just plain clueless?

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stanleybmanly's avatar

They’re correct. Of course it’s shallow. So what? Apparently it’s the way we’re wired. thank goodness there are so many variations on what we can find attractive. Women are just soooooo wonderful in their variety, there’s just no stating it. It’s like a limitless panoply of luscious desserts.

JLeslie's avatar

How someone looks counts, but I can tell you my friends who list good body and good looking as one of their first criteria all have had bad luck with relationships. All of them.

I am not talking about someone who is directly asked what “type” they tend to be attracted to. I’m talking about when someone asks, “what do you look for in a guy/gal,” and the first thing out of their mouth is about the physical looks and they even dwell on it a little too long.

It’s shallow, but more than that if the looks you are looking for involve 4 gym hours every day then that is a particular type of person. That is a lot of hours not at home and not with you so best you be a gym person too I’d say.

cookieman's avatar

I always felt the idea was to not just decide on a partner based on looks. That’s shallow and doomed (as looks most assuredly fade).

But looks should certainly be one of the things you consider, in addition to personality, intelligence, interests, etc. You, obviously, have to be physically attracted to the person. To deny that is naive.

Now, what is “attractive” is certainly subjective, but that’s another discussion.

zenvelo's avatar

You are conflating initial attraction with longer term connection. A woman can be drop dead gorgeous, but if she thinks of nothing but herself, or thinks Arizona is part of South America, she won’t get many second dates and rarely a third. It’s why she would be on-line dating.

On the other hand, a woman who cares for herself, even if she is not a model, yet with a sparkling wit and intellectual curiosity may find herself with a plethora of beaus.

There has to be something that attracts one to read a profile and discern if you are going to show interest. Those who focus solely on the looks and apparent wealth or success will be disappointed and keep searching.

Match dot com doesn’t want anyone to get into a successful relationship. They want you to keep paying the monthly fee. It is why, when you send a message to someone, they say “great job, check out these other people!”.

Coloma's avatar

The physical is, obviously, what we see first, but this is true of many things. We are attracted to the exterior of a new car, the aesthetic appeal, the lines, the color, but if, underneath the flash lurks the engine of a lemon well…all the flash in the world isn’t going to comp for poor performance and repeated break downs. lol
Same with humans. One of the most beautiful women I have ever known was an insecure wreck on the inside, jealous, envious, emotionally fragile, over reactive, pathetically needy, just a freaking mess.

Nobody in their right mind would have taken her for more than a test drive. haha

kritiper's avatar

The eyes are the windows of the soul. I know what I want to be looking at and loving while living out my life and/or doing “the bump.”

rojo's avatar

They must be clueless because only crocodiles are in de Nile.

josie's avatar

Hot is not everything, but in this context it is not a liability.

It’s never a bad starting point either.

If are drawn to hot, and lo and behold there is real character as well, then that is like hitting the perfecta.

If you are drawn to hot and that is all there is…well it could have been worse.

I’m lucky though. GF is hot, a doctor, into philanthropy, and totally at ease in a crowd. The trifecta.

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

@cookieman But looks should certainly be one of the things you consider, in addition to personality, intelligence, interests, etc.
For the purpose of this question, what transpires after the people meet is a different story, but if there were no physical attraction, there might be no met in the 1st place. Point is, a man sees a woman by the salad bar at a company picnic or convention he is not going to say Hey, check out her by the Caesar, man I bet her personality is bubbly and she is wicket smart, I would love to get to know her, his 1st interest will be something else.

Now, what is “attractive” is certainly subjective, but that’s another discussion.
But that ”subjectiveness” has a standard if one follows the numbers, some people are ”chubby chasers” and find women that look more like Jabba The Hutt, attractive then Ursula Anderson of James Bond fame, but those who do are way short in numbers. While those women might be attractive to certain men on an personal level, it can’t be said to be the average.

@zenvelo You are conflating initial attraction with longer term connection.
I never mention anything about long-term connection. The journey is notwithstanding if there is no launch, no departure. In love, more often than not, there is no launce unless someone sees something nice to journey to and with. In the circle I frequent there is a saying ”look like Halie Berry and have the spirit of Chucky (the evil doll)”. When people see someone hot at the club, bar, or wherever, they are not thinking she will be a great mother, he looks handy with tools and can mow a mean lawn, they are thinking how to get noticed or maybe what they look like naked.

@Coloma _The physical is, obviously, what we see first, but this is true of many things. We are attracted to the exterior of a new car, the aesthetic appeal, the lines, the color, but if, underneath the flash lurks the engine of a lemon well…all the flash in the world isn’t going to comp for poor performance and repeated break downs. lol _
Thank you, I try to point that out to people all of the time and they try to hat dance around it like Gregory Hines. Why would we not use the same method to find a potential mate as do choosing furniture, style of car, home/apartment, etc.? Sometimes you get a lemon. I am sure everyone here at some time chose a meal off how it looked, and it tasted bad, or it made them sick, but they did not think of that when they saw it, because it was appealing to the eye. Relationships are way more important than a meal so why would one not go after something they liked? Like trying to choose what you are going to eat by stressing over all the ingredients than the smell, the sizzle, and the looks.

Nobody in their right mind would have taken her for more than a test drive. Haha
If they thought she would be naked on her back in three date or less, they would hang, and if they actually did and the sex was good to great, they might stay around longer, at least until they found a replacement, then they would drop her likes it hot, not lay it down like its warm.

Zaku's avatar

Well, the rate at which people send replies on dating sites (or in real life) isn’t really what determines who ends up with whom, unless one’s goal is to meet as many people as possible. Most people in the dating mindset I wouldn’t want to meet in a dating context anyway.

Blondesjon's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central . . . Dude! How in the fuck do you even have time for Fluther with all the crazy ass you must get, you know, having such a special insight in to chicks and shit?

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

^ [… . . Dude! How in the fuck do you even have time for Fluther with all the crazy ass you must get, you know, having such a special insight in to chicks and shit?
One, I don’t Fluther all of the time, not enough content to take that much time in the 1st place. Second, there is no special insight, the bread crumbs on that trail are almost as big as golf balls. That Freakonomics podcast is not the only one to cover the subject and certainly it proves I did not invent it, it was always there, just people wanted to ignore it I guess.

Blondesjon's avatar

@Hypocrisy_Central . . . I know, right? But seriously, you must be knee deep bro.

cookieman's avatar

^^ or balls deep.

Pied_Pfeffer's avatar

People who believe it is shallow to go off looks in dating, are they really clueless or in denial? No. Some people in long lasting relationships saw personality characteristics that were more valuable than their partner’s appearance.

Dating is just about putting yourself out there to test the waters, be it online or in a physical situation. The people who are shallow are the ones who aren’t willing to move past appearance. That is the point being made by Alli Reed in the podcast.

Maybe you have a different perspective of the purpose of dating. If so, may I ask that you share it?

Hypocrisy_Central's avatar

^ Maybe you have a different perspective of the purpose of dating. If so, may I ask that you share it?
Which version you want, the before or the now? They have changed nearly 180.

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