If fundamentalist Christians are against gay marriage so much, do you think they're happy when married gay couples raising children divorce?
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July 28th, 2015
Because children in a foster home is much better than being raised by two loving parents right?
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Christians should never be happy when bad things happen, especially to children.
Probably. Doesn’t mean they won’t run off and get married again. And yes, kids are better off (at least initially) with two parents (as per the question). (The children, under those circumstances, might later wish they had never been born, but that is another question entirely.)
@chyna There are a lot of supposed “Christians” who would disagree with your notion.
I find myself torn on this thought. On the one hand, any divorce or breakup of the family unit is bound to bring trauma to the child. That is a bad thing as @chyna says. Hard feelings and everything that go with a divorce are terrible to experience when you are an innocent party.
On the other hand. Married gay people now will get to experience everything that hetero married people get to experience. Custody, child support, visitation, shared parenting, division of assets. alimony, the whole enchilada. Also they get to be penalized by the tax system, decide if and who will change their name, and be unable to just ‘walk away’ from the relationship without seriously messing up their future. In the past, an allegation of spousal abuse meant someone goes to jail, true or not. This did not apply to homosexual partners as much. Now, because there is a marriage, this also comes into play. I think while a permanent gay compact is good to have, it comes with negative sides that perhaps those who pressed the hardest may have not thought about.
Children can’t get divorce, so their divorce can’t be raised.
My guess is at least some of them would say, “see, see how this harms children.” Ignoring that heterosexuals get divorced all of the time. If the gay divorce rate winds up much higher than straight couples, the people against it will probably clamp onto that statistic and try to use it against them.
@majorrich As much as the legal system can be annoying during marriage and divorce, mostly I see the laws for marriage and divorce as protecting people, even some of the things you seemed to cite as negative. Your list and comments surprised me a little.
It’s a wash.
This question is designed to bash Christians, and is rather inane, IMO.
^^Not to bash Christians. To ask what Christians who are against gay marriage will think when the marriages divorce. Not all Christians are against gay marriage and not all will be happy when the marriages don’t work out. I wouldn’t even use happy, but I think some will grab into a told you so moment, don’t you think? Just like within every group some people have that personality to say I told you so.
The good part of a proper church-type marriage is a series of counseling sessions with the prospective couple regarding the import of the marriage contract and the responsibilities it carries within the church. The difference between loving a person and being in-love are discussed. And some of the legal responsibilities of setting up a Christian household are also discussed. Marriage between two people can’t be entered into in a cavalier fashion and these counseling sessions are designed to teach that. Plus, during those sessions, a Pastor/Priest may see trouble spots and recommend deeper thought and work by the couple before the marriage will be performed.
@majorrich I only knew of the Catholics doing mandatory sessions before marriage, which other Christian groups do it? Do the sessions cover the legal ramifications of civil marriage? I think possibly gay people understand the legal stuff better than straight people, that’s what they have been fighting for the protection if the laws. Straight people get married barely understanding the legal ramifications. They just do it as a matter of course. Getting married, get a marriage license, and then in America we mush it all together and allow clergy to have the power under the state to officiate. That’s a mistake. I think that’s why some religious people can’t separate religious marriage from civil marriage in their minds.
Also, one thing I forgot to point out above is a lot of gay people have been married to the opposite sex. They know all about marriage, legalities and otherwise.
I had a boss who was married to a gay man. They have three gorgeous children. He eventually left the marriage for a man. Or, maybe she left him in the end, I don’t know how it all went down.
Another coworker of mine, he dated a married man for a few years before he finally left his wife. The kids were basically grown by then, I think that why he finally was able to pull the trigger and leave.
I know quite a few stories like that. A famous example is the actress Fran Drescher was married to a gay man.
My gay BIL always thought when he was growing up that he would get married to a woman, because that was an expectation put in him by family and society. Thankfully, he never married a woman. He now is married to a man.
A number of Protestant Churches do the counseling sessions. Even some Universal Life Ministers do them.
@jleslie. I don’t think you can say that just some Christians that are against gay marriage are just waiting to say I told you so when a gay marriage ends in divorce. There are many, many non Christians against gay marriages that are willing to pounce on the “I told you so” bandwagon.
@chyna Like I said, all groups have people like that. In America the Christians just have more of a voice in the media. I would assume a lot of very religious Muslims are against gay marriage, I don’t know if religious Jews are, and even my atheist dad was unsure what he thought when the topic really heated up 15 years ago, but he came down on the side of thinking it should be legal in the end. Christians are the majority if the religious vote here, and have a lot of influence because of their numbers. That’s how it is in a democracy.
We could just ask what will the people against gay marriage say when divorce starts happening in gay marriages with children, and not single out Christians. That would be better I guess. The OP did say fundamentalist Christians to try and not group all Christians in one basket, the OP didn’t go far enough I guess to not single out a group. I think we can’t deny it mostly is religious Christians who made efforts to block gay marriage from becoming legal in the US, wouldn’t you agree?
I’m confused. In the details you said, “Because children in a foster home is much better than being raised by two loving parents right?”
What does a couple divorcing have to do with foster children? Custody, whether is sole, or joint, would be determined as part of the divorce settlement.
Are you suggesting that if a gay couple divorces, the government takes their kids and puts them in foster care and the fundamental Christians will be happy about it?
Believing something and being hateful are two very different things.
@rockfan – As @Dutchess_III notes, there seems to be some confusion about divorce and child custody. Can you explain what you’re asking here?
I was under the assumption the OP was talking about gay people taking care of foster children or even adopting them?? It really is a little confusing, because there are still states that allow gay marriage, but don’t allow gay adoption, and then there are states that allow gay people to adopt, but didn’t have gay marriage.
Yeah, we need some clarification for sure, @JLeslie.
@hypocrisy_Central What? Every state allows gay adoption now?
If they don’t, give it a week or two. Scotus says gays can have everything straight people have, they made law (as oppose to just interpreting law) _redefined what marriage is and made every state adhere to it. Why would they be blocked from adoption, unless for reason they are unfit same as straight people who are denied.
^^Thanks for the link.
@Hypocrisy_Central Since the law of the land is equal rights, seems to me the court interpreted the law. The definition is not changed. What definition? Chefs use the word marry to describe flavors coming together. Are they changing the definition. The civil marriage contract is between two consenting adults as it should be. If some religions want to define marriage as only a union between a man and women they have every right to keep doing so.
I’m with @snowberry.
“This question is designed to bash Christians, and is rather inane, IMO.”
Instead I might ask:
“Are fundamentalist Christians against couples – regardless of gender – raising children?”
They would have to balance their dislike of gay marriage with their dislike of divorce and the dissolution of the family unit. Of course, to fundamentalists, gay marriage is part of the dissolution of the family unit (ironically). Nonetheless, I would assume that most of them would rather have children raised by a loving couple than have orphans and children moving through the foster system. The lesser of two evils, in other words.
It should be added, however, that some fundamentalists deny that gay people can even love each other (i.e. that a gay relationship is purely based on lust and that there is no actual love present).
I disagree. I don’t think it was a slam against “all” Christians. The OP specified “Fundamental Christians.” The word “Fundamental” means “forming or relating to the most important part of something.” I take “fundamental Christian” to mean a Christian who takes every part of the Bible literally (except for those admonitions that apply to themselves) and gets rabid about defending it, no matter how ridiculous the position is.
I think that most Christians are easier than that, more flexible.
It’s hard to proceed any further without some clarification about what the OP meant by divorce/foster care.
I should not have said foster care, that was stupid on my part.
So what was really your question? Do some Christians think children would be better off in foster care than with loving, gay parents? I imagine some would. But probably not any one here. Probably.
GA @Dutchess_III Being Gay has really nothing to do with foster care vs. a loving household.
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