NSFW With sex today being reduced to a mere commodity why do people seem surprised when it is not more?

How has sex been in your experience @Hypocrisy_Central? Why speak in generalities.

Sounds like a case of sour grapes.

Exactly what is so “reverent” about sex? If you think about the details it can be pretty nasty! I don’t know how germaphobes can even handle it.

@janbb How has sex been in your experience @Hypocrisy_Central?
That not being part of the question at hand, I will answer it just to keep others from glomming onto it as to distract from the real question, back before I was wiser and knew better, I have had some great sex. Overall it was for naught, it was not like most of them women I cared for, or cared enough to grow old with them, they were merely the means to an end.

Why speak in generalities.
If I am speaking of the populace I cannot hone in one any one person as it would only be their experience. I wonder why people (as it seems by comments and statements they have made, online and off) seem to look for sex being something wonderful or greater than it is when they approach it in some lax very casual way? If you believe it is treated as something great I would love to hear why? By the preponderance of evidence it is hard to see it that way, it is more like someone trying to call their car a valuable classic with great worth but they take it off road to go “mudding” in it.

@Dutchess_III Exactly what is so “reverent” about sex?
If sex is so irreverent why are people so oppose to people making business agreements behind it? If I have cash and don’t want to bother wining and dining some woman I simply offer her X amount of money to rent use of her body, I get an orgasm in something other than a towel, and she gets money to go shoe shopping, what could be wrong with that? However, if there was no ring on it for me, it is a big waste, in actuality.

Nothing wrong with prostitution in my opinion. It needs to be legal so we can protect the women.

Most women are prostitutes because it pays the bills or because they are addicts with a habit to feed, not so they can splurge at the malleria.

Tell me, @Hypocrisy_Central, is it still “reverent” when you just use a towel?

@Dutchess_III Tell me, @Hypocrisy_Central, is it still “reverent” when you just use a towel?
Again, having nothing to do with the casualness of society and sex, for me personally, any sex not involving a man married to the woman he is boinking or a woman married to the man she is boinkling is a useless selfish act. Even though people do it without ever thinking of committing they tell themselves they have as to make peace with their soul. Whether one uses a towel, a sex flashlight, their hand, a cucumber, banana in a condom, or some manufactured dildo, it is irrelevant, and is not ”reverent”, it is basically just what one gets out of it for themselves in the end.

Richard: “The only question you have to ask yourself about sex is Glenn, ‘is it good for you?‘.” Fishism

Ok, so what makes sex between married couples “reverent?” They’re just doing it for the orgasm. Nothing particularly reverent about that.

For a christian, you seem to dwell, think and ask a lot of questions about sex. And to me your questions seem to be a little on the weird or kinky side, always seem to blame the woman for being a whore for having sex outside of marriage.

Sex inside marriage is not better or different from sex outside marriage.

Reminds me of the MASH line. Why the preoccupation with sex? Lack of occupation with sex.

You may not be bringing girls home from a bar, HC, but who is the one reading porn sites and copying and pasting snippets of them here? God is watching you!

Also, sex has always been a mere commodity, especially for men. Always. It’s nothing new, as your question seems to imply. And prostitutes have been around forever, too, because there is a market for them.

There is absolutely nothing sacred about it,any more than it is for goats and dogs and sheep and every other animal on this earth.

I can’t believe all of these personal attacks. I’d flag but I’m on my phone.

“With sex today being reduced to a mere commodity why do people seem surprised when it is not more?”
The problem nowadays is that people (in general) aren’t even looking for more. Sacrificing long term [actual] joy for short term pleasure is just commonplace. Some adults are like toddlers eating too much candy.. they just can’t see the gingivitis because their eyes are too focused on the treat at hand. It’s sad really.

For Pete’s sake.. just look at some of the responses above. Evidence for adolescent behavior among adults is abundant.

@Apparently_Im_The_Grumpy_One I will say it again…there is no “today” or “nowadays.” People, especially men, have always paid for it if that’s what it takes to get it.

@Dutchess_III Hey, I’ve never paid for it. Well there was the dinner, which was good, and the room. But god the sex was good.

Sex is a physical act, a need, an impulse. Any morality you want to assign to a bodily function is your dysfunction, man. (Not sure why I said man. Felt like a hippy for a second.)

@Dutchess_III
That literally makes no sense to me at all what you just said.

@tinyfaery
Crying and laughing are bodily functions that seem to have some sort of meaning. At least to me.

@Apparently_Im_The_Grumpy_One I think the point that @Dutchess_III was making is that the idea of sex as a commodity is not something unique to “nowadays” considering that prostitution has existed for millennia and there have always been people who’ve considered it nothing more than a commodity.

As for the question and ignoring the above drama, yes, I can see the hypocrisy in treating sex as nothing meaningful and then being surprised when it turns out to be shallow and disappointing. I’m not interesting in disparaging “nowadays”, but this hypocrisy is real, regardless of time. If you give no importance to sex, don’t be surprised if the person you’re having sex with has the same attitude. I say this as someone who has never had sex outside of a meaningful relationship (and right now that means only having done it with one person).

@DominicY
Well you’re right, it’s not something new for people to treat sex as a commodity. When I say “nowadays” I’m implying that it seems to be on the rise. I have no stats to back that up.. it’s just a gut feeling based on what I see going on in the world.

When I was growing up, being spanked at school was still allowed. So my perspective has cobwebs on it perhaps (escalated, no doubt, by the jellies in the uber-liberal sea of fluther).

I think it has more to do with the human body and our psyche. The same way losing an arm can effect our psche, sex can do the same thing. Either for the positive or the negative. It is really difficult to separate our self worth from our physical being. Sex over the centuries has been used to either bring pleasure or humiliation.

This is another, not so black and white topics. Not every prostitute choses her way of life. There are some that got into the life trying to escape abuse at home, or sold into slavery, or forced by pimps. Some are even started into the business before they are legal of age. Yes there are prostitutes that choose that life, but how can you tell between the ones who 100 percent wouldn’t change a thing because they find it is something they like to do, from the ones who feel they aren’t worthy of having a normal life and no one will never see them as anything but a pound of flesh to pound and use, and humiliate and abuse.

It is difficult to understand why anyone of sound mind and body would choose to have a nasty heavy man, on them who isn’t someone they personally know, for money. After all, you know the good looking guys probably have no problem getting laid. So they aren’t exactly sleeping with hunks every day.

Steak is a mere commodity as well. But when you go to a steakhouse and exchange your money for the business’ goods you still want it to be an enjoyable experience and complain when it isn’t.

Just curious HC – With all those quotes are you pouring over the site’s older posts for choice quotes, or are you keeping an archive full of sex related quotes to be pulled up and used at a later date in threads like this?

Odd, I thought this was under social.

@Apparently_Im_The_Grumpy_One Promiscuity in men has always been around. That’s not referring to ALL men, but most men I know will have sex with just about anyone if they get horny enough.
This as always been gently condoned. “Sowing wild oats,” “Boys will be boys,” locker room bragging, etc.

Traditionally women have been expected to be virginal, demur. Any outward display of “sexy” immediately got her labeled as a slut. If she had bigger than average breasts she was tabled as a slut, even if she did absolutely nothing to earn the insult.

What is on the “rise” are women no longer hiding their sexuality like it’s something to be ashamed of. Women are throwing off the chains that hold them down when it comes to sex.

They’re just demanding equality. If a guy is free, even subtly encouraged, to have all the sex he can get, then woman should be free to have all the sex they can get, if they want it, with no stigma attached.

@Hypocrisy_Central well, I never go into NSFW questions so I’ve never seen them.

<——- takes out her ‘Double Standards Girl’ flag and waves it and ‘lurves’ @Dutchess_III answer.

Also, sex has been a commodity for a very very long time. Grumpy old men like to sit around and discuss how women ‘these days’ are debasing themselves, blah blah blah… but hey, newsflash, it isn’t called the ‘oldest profession’ for nothing. It is treated like a fast food hamburger and has for thousands of years. It WAS the fast food hamburger before the fast food hamburger was invented. If anyone is particularly surprised by this, they haven’t read enough books. Frankly, I hate abalone. I lived in New Zealand for years and paua is just gross. So, comparing great sex with abalone is the only thing that surprises me about this question.

@cazzie Well, some guys say if you like seafood…......

I’m telling Mom, @Adirondackwannabe!

You know me, I doubt you’re surprised.

I feel bad because I know it probably feels like, to the guys, that I’m painting them all with the same, broad, promiscuity brush, and I know there are a few great men here who don’t deserve it.

However, in my younger days I don’t believe I met one single guy who wouldn’t have accepted if I offered. Hell, for years, on a daily basis, I had complete strangers cat calling, throwing sexual suggestions at me and I’m pretty sure everyone of them were good to go. I must have been yelled at, whistled at, groped, stalked, you name it, thousands of times, from the time I was 12 years old.
It’s really colored my thinking, and I know this, and I apologize to any guy who is not like that, and I hug you (just with my shoulders, of course) and I like you.

I’m not surprised Andrio, but I still want to get you in trouble. :)~

Yup. And I guess I fit that description when I was younger. I don’t think I ever turned down an offer from a woman. Now I’m not sure. I don’t hang out in places like bars now, so I haven’t been hit on in a while. I don’t know how I’d react to an offer now.

I didn’t barf on nobody…

@Symbeline Anybody barf on you?

I don’t remember.

I never barfed on anyone either. I’ve gotten pretty bored at times, but not enough to frow up.

I would think it’d be a memorable experience.

Rodney Dangerfield had a great joke about sex and boredom. He and his wife were going at it and the dog was in the room. The dog yawned. He said I’m sorry I’m boring you to the dog. The wife said it’s okay, I’m used to it.

@Symbeline I would think that barfing on someone would really make it a ‘Wow’ experience.

I was thinking about this and I think HC has this backwards. I think the abstinence and conservative Christians have made such a big deal about waiting to have sex and how it’s meant to be so amazing and special, that they’re the ones who have built up it’s special-ness and importance and then, when these virgins get together, or these couples who have never had experienced each other before get married and do it for the first time, it ends up being a huge let down, especially for her.

@cazzie I think your right. I went for a month or so of having sex before I realized my partner was getting off. It takes practice and experimenting.

I was just making a joke, but Ilike where it went haha.

@Symbeline Well partyrock hurled on a guys dick. That might be memorable. But she’s been gone for a bit.

Isn’t it about time for pancakes?

@Dutchess_III
“They’re just demanding equality. If a guy is free, even subtly encouraged, to have all the sex he can get, then woman should be free to have all the sex they can get, if they want it, with no stigma attached.”
Push this over to the candy analogy. It’s a horrible idea. Now everyone will have gingivitis.

I see where you are coming from on stereotypical societal behaviors. There are a vast number of men who are pigs. Making women equally piggy doesn’t help anything.

In my opinion, a little modesty from all genders would be helpful.

Men need to treat women with respect and vice versa. There shouldn’t be any encouragement or celebration of sexual “conquests”. Sadly, that’s the stuff that will likely remain on the rise “nowadays”.. (as you admitted) .. even from women.

I hardly think any woman views getting a man into bed as a “conquest.” I start laughing just thinking about that!

Why not? If you were single and wanted to use me for your pleasure and toss me aside what’s wrong with that?

Because it wouldn’t be a conquest ya ding dong! I really ♥ you!

You crack me up. I’m bad, I guess I wouldn’t be a conquest. :) You want me, take me I’m your’s. Not much of a challenge.

LOL! NO! It would totally ruin our friendship. Fageddabadit!

I wasn’t serious. I still wouldn’t be a conquest.

@dammitjanetfromvegas I can’t believe all of these personal attacks.
It is typical Fluther if you challenge or step on any sacred cows, and in the US sex (if you are not bragging about how much you had) is a sacred cow unless you are saying anytime, anywhere with consenting adults, but the mods finally got busy.

@Pandora The same way losing an arm can effect our psche, sex can do the same thing.
Not the same, if one loses an arm or hand it can affect how they brush their hair, operate machinery, drive a car, or ride a motorcycle, not having any sex is not going to affect one’s ability to do any of those.

@Darth_Algar Just curious HC – With all those quotes are you pouring over the site’s older posts for choice quotes, or are you keeping an archive full of sex related quotes to be pulled up and used at a later date in threads like this?
Not anymore than you have….and if you haven’t, then neither has I.

@Dutchess_III […well, I never go into NSFW questions so I’ve never seen them.
There is the rub, not every thread in which comments like that pop up are NSFW threads, but not to blow your cover, if my memory serves me correct, you have been on a NSFW question I posted, if so, guess I am just special.

I hardly think any woman views getting a man into bed as a “conquest.”
It happens but usually the female is hoodwinked and ends up being the “conquest” when she thought she was in control.

@cazzie I think the abstinence and conservative Christians have made such a big deal about waiting to have sex and how it’s meant to be so amazing and special,..]
If it isn’t nothing special why not just have sex clubs or parties where people behind the velvet rope are horny people looking to get their jollies and other people seated are there just to help the horny people get there. Forget romance, dinner, dates, etc. view it like a casual game of bridge at the card club, you need sex, they need sex, so it isn’t about love, attraction, you just need not to hate them, and so long as you can tolerate them, you just use each other’s body to get the ”WOW” moment; anything less would be disingenuous to saying sex is not special because you will be treating it as such without saying so.

[…when these virgins get together, or these couples who have never had experienced each other before get married and do it for the first time, it ends up being a huge let down,…]
Maybe, no team gets to the Super Bowl at the 1st spring training practice. If it is not too good to start, that is where the journey starts where both learn to become a unit and have great sex together.

@Apparently_Im_The_Grumpy_One Men need to treat women with respect and vice versa.
When I was young and in high school there were those girls you’d take home to mom, and those girls you wanted to get with because they were the neighborhood bicycle; everyone got a ride. Back in the day, you had to put in at least 6 months good, faithful boyfriend action before you even got to 2nd base. When you got to 3rd base (if you ever did) you knew it was something because you had to invest time into the relationship. Those toss up girls, you hardly care if you ever saw them again, unless action was slow, you knew they were like Motel 6, always had the light on for you.

“With sex today being reduced to a mere commodity why do people seem surprised when it is not more?”

This question comes across as sort of affected and blasé. Like when high school kids act cynical to seem cool and intellectual to their peers. Or when hip 20-somethings talk about bands in a dry, detached, superior tone to show how much they “get it.” Like, “yeah, their early stuff was ok I guess, but they’re total sell-outs now.”

People are surprised when sex isn’t more because that’s freaking human nature. Outside of finding food and shelter, one of our most basic instincts is to form a bond with someone else and reproduce. It’s literally life and death, because it continues the human species. Having emotions and self-awareness and finding meaning in things are what separate humans from other animals.

Whenever there’s a demand, some enterprising person will always profit. People have always traded money, resources etc. for food and shelter and it’s the same for sex. However, the commodification of sex is a recent phenomenon. It’s maybe as old as advertising, and that’s only gotten sophisticated in the last generation or so.

Clever marketing and pop culture have tried to convince us that sex is meaningless, as widely available and valuable as potato chips or coca-cola. But we’re the same human/ animal creatures as always. So people act in the ways they think are rewarded by society- being callous about their own sexuality. The messages in our media tell us that’s fun and rewarding, and our peers pick up on that and echo it back to it. The end result is having a one-night stand that you think will be fun, and feeling empty in the morning. Or making an impractical purchase, subconsciously, because the ad campaign had a sexy model.

Food has been debased in the same way. Think about the original meaning behind sharing a meal. Food means survival, and sharing a meal means surrounding yourself with people you trust in your home, with your resources, and you enjoy each other’s company. In the past, you probably harvested/ killed the food and prepared it- a major investment of time and effort, and an act of love to those around you. Today we have cool ranch doritos.

There’s no real counter-message to the commodification of sex, because the detached superior thing is in. It’s so uncool to be earnest or sensitive, and it’s not rewarded by society. So we’re saturated with these messages that sex is meaningless, which runs totally against our true human nature. Basically you’ve got all of society telling you one thing, and only the voice in your head telling you the other thing. Is it any wonder that people are disappointed again and again?

@Hypocrisy_Central If it isn’t nothing special why not just have sex clubs or parties where people behind the velvet rope are horny people looking to get their jollies There are…... ever see the movie ‘Eyes Wide Shut’? Also, most nightclubs are just ‘hook up’ joints. Prostitution is big business. Always has been, always will be. Nothing new in that. There have also always been ‘town bikes’ as you so sweetly put it, only now, there are two camps about it. Those who moralise and try to shame the woman, and those who realise that’s just how she is and it’s none of our business.

Like my dad used to say, ‘As the cow said when she licked her nose, Everyone to their own tastes.’

I know. He always piles the shame on the women, but not a word about the men who use her.

And so what if a woman wants to do it like a man does.

@Dutchess_III
The reason women don’t view it as a conquest is probably because so many men are pigs….. so there’s not much victory in that. But, wouldn’t you brag if you landed a Johnny Depp or a (insert whoever the latest hunk is)?

Women celebrate “conquests”. They are just a lot sneakier about it.

Just because a man is willing to have sex with a woman, even one he doesn’t know well, doesn’t mean he’s a pig. Pigs are pigs, in bed and OUT of bed. Pigs grab you. Pigs yell sexual innuendos at you, pigs get pissed off when you reject their advances, pigs consider women to be objects to be “conquered,” or even raped, then thrown away.

I’d say that men are far sneakier than women. They will tell a woman almost anything to get her into bed. They’ll tell her they love her, they’ll tell her they want to marry her, they’ll tell her they want her to have his children, they’ll tell you they’ve never met anyone like you….even when all of it is a bald face lie. They’ll buy her flowers and cards until the woman is convinced that he really does love her and he gets his orgasm, and then it all goes away. You don’t consider that sneaky? But you consider a woman saying ”“Hey, ya wanna come back to my place and screw?” to be sneaky? Something’s wrong there, man!

I would not be willing to seduce anyone, not even Johnny Depp, just for bragging rights. I would be disgusted with myself. But, I’m sure there are women out there who would. It’s not hard at all, not with a beautiful face and a stunning body. Piece of cake.

You completely misrepresented my position.

Either way, we have a very fundamental disagreement so it won’t make much sense to continue.

“Just because a man is willing to have sex with a woman, even one he doesn’t know well, doesn’t mean he’s a pig.”
I unequivocally disagree.

I didn’t mean to misrepresent your position. Please clarify: How are women sneakier than men, when it comes to getting them into bed for sex?

Morality wasted. There are better things to moralise over. We get caught up in being judgemental over things that don’t matter. This is one of the reasons Double Standards Girl exists.

@Haleth Outside of finding food and shelter, one of our most basic instincts is to form a bond with someone else and reproduce. It’s literally life and death, because it continues the human species.
Within the halls of nature, some have missed that memo.

Clever marketing and pop culture have tried to convince us that sex is meaningless, as widely available and valuable as potato chips or coca-cola.
That is part of the beauty of having sex be no more than a pick-up game of basketball, you don’t have to get there via love, emotions, commitment, or any of that ”nonsense”, so long as you believe it is a need like water, or an urge you can’t control, then you must do it and do it often just like drinking. Make it like a trip to 7–11 and it is no longer special enough to work for, be like Nike; ”Just do it”.

So people act in the ways they think are rewarded by society- being callous about their own sexuality. The messages in our media tell us that’s fun and rewarding, and our peers pick up on that and echo it back to it. The end result is having a one-night stand that you think will be fun, and feeling empty in the morning
That makes it sound like the hapless woman in ”Looking for Mr. Goodbar”, or those sad sack crack heads, who once they got such an incredible high off the 1st puff of the glass pipe would ruin themselves and everything else chasing that high they 1st love but could never find again. By some aforementioned comments, some seem to disagree greatly with that concept.

Food has been debased in the same way. Think about the original meaning behind sharing a meal. Food means survival, and sharing a meal means surrounding yourself with people you trust in your home, with your resources, and you enjoy each other’s company. In the past, you probably harvested/ killed the food and prepared it- a major investment of time and effort, and an act of love to those around you. Today we have cool ranch doritos.
That is a good parallel, I agree we (in the US) have done that with food as well, that is why we waste so much of it. I think people would think harder about the value of food they have if they had to go hunt, kill, field dress, and butcher that steak, roast, or ribs there were eating. Steak is not as cheap as Doritos yet, but it steal lost a lot of it ”wow” as meals go when it was the wealthy that could truly afford to eat it more than once a week, maybe.

There’s no real counter-message to the commodification of sex, because the detached superior thing is in.It’s so uncool to be earnest or sensitive, and it’s not rewarded by society
People do not want to use the countermeasure because they are addicted to the detachment. But that is the reason for the question, if the prevailing thought is to be so callous about sex, those who appear to be unhappy with the outcome of a sexual encounter should just say ”bygones” and move on, like getting a stale bag of Doritos, you don’t dwell over it. To have sex with someone you hardly know just because they satisfy you appetite of the moment, like that piece of candy as @Apparently_Im_The_Grumpy_One says, then get bent because you did not have the ”WOW” moment you chased after or they were unimpressed when you thought you whipped it on them like Casanova or Jezebel is so disingenuous.

@Hypocrisy_Central

So then where did all those quotes in your original post come from?

@Dutchess_III
“But you consider a woman saying ”“Hey, ya wanna come back to my place and screw?” to be sneaky? Something’s wrong there, man!”

Well to start with I didn’t say or imply this bit at all. What I did say is that women celebrate more sneakily.

I also didn’t suggest that you would seduce someone for bragging rights. Your follow up question “How are women sneakier than men, when it comes to getting them into bed for sex?” is also based on this misrepresentation.

@cazzie
I believe it does matter. You don’t have to.

@Apparently_Im_The_Grumpy_One and I’m saying you have NO right to judge.

@cazzie
What, exactly, am I “judging”? Having an opinion is totally different from judging.

Well, then, @Apparently_Im_The_Grumpy_One tell us more about your ‘opinion’. Is calling someone a pig not a judgement of them? Please explain how it is not.

@cazzie
I am incapable of rolling my eyes far enough back into my skull to convey my exasperation at you. Bring forward this person (whoever it is) whom I called a pig. Was it you?

Oh boy. There are no words. I apologize (again) @Hypocrisy_Central. I’ll leave (again) so this can get back on track.

Gosh. You need to re read your posts.

I said, “Not every man who is willing to have sex with a woman, even one he doesn’t know well, is a pig.”
You said, “I unequivocally disagree.” You didn’t call us pigs, you just called virtually every male on the planet “pigs.”

Also, you started out your post with @Dutchess_III, addressed to me, and in the first paragraph, almost first thing, you said, “But, wouldn’t you brag if you landed a Johnny Depp or a (insert whoever the latest hunk is)?” So you were talking to me. I didn’t get offended because I’m sure there are women who would. But since you were talking to me, I wanted to clarify that “No, I wouldn’t.”

From discussion in the past, I understand that men have a very hard time understanding that women do not think the way men do about sex.

You might want to go back and review other discussions on the ways men and women think differently.

@Apparently_Im_The_Grumpy_One you wrote yourself: I see where you are coming from on stereotypical societal behaviors. There are a vast number of men who are pigs. Making women equally piggy doesn’t help anything.

Wanting sex, male or female, doesn’t automatically make one “piggy.” It’s their behaviors outside of that that make them “piggy.”

I’m a sex worker In a country where it’s legal. Most of the men are very normal, nice, erudite people, tidy, and polite. I see many,many professional athletes that let me tell you are hotter than the sun. Occasionally I see a fat sweaty blob because I think everyone deserves to have decent sex. I make a very,very good living. I don’t haunt bars or anything like that. Some sexual experiences are bad, but I think when people get to know themselves they in general have pretty good sex, and if you’re being responsible and safe, why should it be a big deal. To some people it’s just fun, and that’s ok.

Totally support you, @trailsillustrated .

Me too.

Me three.

In addition to my support of the above, I wish sex work was legal everywhere.

—thank you. While my job is a secret, this city has a large Roman Catholic population, and people seem to be very open about sex. I think also maybe an age gap? To me, thinking that sex should be more than what it is seems like an arcane concept.—

I’ve always been baffled that sex work isn’t legal everywhere (or at least everywhere that isn’t a theocracy).

I think so too. I mean, what, exactly, is sex supposed to be more? Be more what? Sometimes it’s great, some times you’ll never forget certain encounters, but after hundreds of sexual encounters (with my husbands, for those who want to brand me a slut) most of of them were pretty predictable and boring.

I’m baffled too, @Darth_Algar. We just have that old , ridiculous Bible stuff hanging over us like guillotines. <<<I…spelled that right all by myself?? Wow!

No, guys…. I can still count my encounters, even at the ripe old age of 47, but I know that that has nothing to do with nothing. Nobody has the right to judge. I’ve been called a prude, a tease and a goodie goodie and a cold fish. Fuck that. But I know that I OWN my sexuality and what it means to ME! and I will defend until I go horse the right of anyone else who owns their own sexuality. Nobody has the right to judge.

@cazzie I want to make a smartassed remark but you’ll probably hurt me. :)

do you fear my verbal barbs? wow… I had no idea I had such power…. But you are probably right to be cautious. Perhaps send me it privately and I can give you a hurt that is personalized.

Laughs, you know by now how thick my skin is. But this isn’t an area where I would screw with a woman. Sorry, phrased that poorly. :)

Hey, @cazzie what prompted your comment “No, guys…. I can still count my encounters, even at the ripe old age of 47…”?

Well maybe she’s a frigid old prude. I’m living dangerously tonight.

funny how everyone was calling the OP a perv and look how this thread turned out.~

@Darth_Algar So then where did all those quotes in your original post come from?
For some reason it got modded out above. Someone said I trolled porn site to find them, and why was a godly man watching porn. I had a good laugh because of they seemed like they came from a pornographic site, I guess that is another reason to ding Google for seemingly to be ”not Fluther friendly” because those passages came from different past thread off THIS site, good ol’ Fluther.

That is alright though, we can give the minors on this site and education they are not getting at home from their parents or in school. ~~

@Apparently_Im_The_Grumpy_One I apologize (again) @Hypocrisy_Central. I’ll leave (again) so this can get back on track.
No need, it is a staple around here, if you cannot prop up, shore up, glue together any sort of a cohesive answer or comment to combat what has been presented, the next best thing is to ”Go Politician”, when peppered about crime and you have no answer, shift the thoughts to a sagging economy or immigration. I got the gist of the parallel about the pigs, and people here try to tell me I am less educated, if so and I can get it what does that say about them who can’t?

@dammitjanetfromvegas funny how everyone was calling the OP a perv and look how this thread turned out.~
People don’t like owning their own junk or smelling their own arm pits. How many sex stuff happens in their society even they call kinky, but try to ask them why it is or point out the cause and effect of it, they want to call someone a perv, creepy, etc. then say BUT NO ONE JUDGE ME! Then want to call me a hypocrite because of my moniker…. You are seeing the real Fluther they hide in the cellar, they only clean him up and give him a new suit of clothes when the public comes around. ~~

@Hypocrisy_Central

Yes, I realize the quotes are from this site. My question is that if you neither archived them for future use, nor searched for them for this thread then how did you come up with them?

@dammitjanetfromvegas “funny how everyone was calling the OP a perv and look how this thread turned out.~”

That’s because the OP has a history and pattern of asking questions of a sexual nature, some personal, some not, ranging from this, to threads about goat fucking, to porn, to asking female members about their intimate grooming habits, and a whole variety other sex related topics. All the while he takes a smug, condemnatory attitude towards others on the topic of sex (or just about any other topic under the Sun) and refuses to, as he put it above, “own his own junk”.

I’m no noob

I don’t find HC’s posts offensive. To me it seems like a definite generation gap, perhaps a place like Florida? and I admire his reaching, asking, exploring. Of course it is often awkward, clumsy. He is speaking the only language he knows. I don’t think it’s coming from sexist or bad place. It’s not a bad thing to want to know about the current world.

@Dutchess_III I hate how women are judged. Damn double standards bullshit. I have a particular way about me. I hurt no one. I don’t deserve the name calling. Misogyny is a real thing. It lives and breathes and feeds rape culture and pay inequity, among other things. Misogyny hurts people.

Judgement is everywhere, whether it’s men judging women, women judging men, or judgement within the same gender. I’ve been judged from holier-than-thou double standards or just from basic ignorance; from both genders. Somedays, people can be a PITA.

@Inara27 And you’re surprised some people are butt weenies?

Annoyed, but never surprised.

Laughs, I guess that sums up life and sex, and butt weenies.

I agree @cazzie. I agree with everything you said. I just wondered where the clarification that you can count your encounters came from.
I can count mine too. On less than 2 hands. Just thought I’d clarify too! LOL!

^^^ Relevant

@Dutchess_III hahahhaa! I’m just saying that it doesn’t matter. Regardless of our personal experience we need to understand other’s people rights on the matter.

@Darth_Algar Yes, I realize the quotes are from this site. My question is that if you neither archived them for future use, nor searched for them for this thread then how did you come up with them?
You know, they have those little topic buttons on the side, and sometimes I click on one just to see what comes up, other times I search back over threads to see if there were something I missed or now comments, sometimes those sidebar related question to the one I am viewing I click on those. Just as everyone else. Why don’t you ask them of their question viewing habits?

That’s because the OP has a history and pattern of asking questions of a sexual nature, some personal, some not, ranging from this, to threads about goat fucking, to porn, to asking female members about their intimate grooming habits, and a whole variety other sex related topics._
Let’s not be telling half-truths, your nose might start growing. I do not corner the market on NSFW questions some have way more than me and not offering any sort of educational value. If I ask a question on sex (and you can’t say most here don’t like sex) it is out of curiosity of how one form of sex can be OK, but that one not OK other than the simple fact someone doesn’t like it. If I ask for some proof to show why, if you have the proof, any proof, it would not be hard to produce it. Rather than produce any proof, you want to attack the asker about something many people do. Intimate grooming habits? I have a curiosity about a lot of western grooming habits, like how Americans somehow got repugnant over smelling human, that if you did not take a shower, douse yourself in perfume or aftershave, and use deodorant, to keep your human smell at bay, I think about how that can to be. If you add up the entire questions I ever asked I can bet my dollars to anyone’s donuts, it doesn’t make up even 5%; and I would have donuts for days. Sex is a major arena of Fluther, we sure know it is not Christ, been there, done that, all it disintegrates to is a bunch of people trying to prove there is no God with the Bible they believe is fiction anyhow. So, I ask questions within Fluther’s pay grade

[…and refuses to, as he put it above, “own his own junk”.
I own all of my junk, I don’t bite my tongue (as much as the mods force it) to blow smoke up people’s tail pipe telling them things that will make them feel good and not telling them the truth that might hurt, there might be a lot of hat dancers around here, but it is not me. Check it out, 90% of what anyone ask me I have an answer, not the usual duck, dodge and hide, even when the question is totally asinine and would not be asked of anyone else here.

@trailsillustrated I’m glad someone else sees what I see. You and I have experienced a bit of HC’s life. It’s not pretty. The others haven’t so they don’t understand.

I’m old and have been through a lot , I used to think differently than I do now. You’ve been on here long enough to know what I mean.