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janbb's avatar

Does being your own self-made billionaire ipso facto qualify you for politics?

Asked by janbb (63222points) August 8th, 2015

I think arguably the fact that Bloomberg was beholden to nobody helped him run NYC effectively. But he also had brains and expertise. A lot of folk seem to think that just because Trump is rich and a blowhard, he is qualified to run this country. It could be argued that he is the uber-oligarch. (You can see I have no opinions on this.) Your thoughts?

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ragingloli's avatar

Of course not.
A country is not a company.
Your prime responsibility is to the people living in it, not money.

srmorgan's avatar

Don’t forget that he is the son of Fred Trump, a very successful builder of residential apartment buildings in Brooklyn and Queens.
He had a $35 million head start that none of the rest of us did.

chyna's avatar

I don’t think in Trump’s case that it qualifies him as able to run a country. I think he is a buffoon that doesn’t know when to shut his mouth and listen. A good president has to be able to listen to his advisers and I feel Trump thinks too highly of himself to let others make decisions.

stanleybmanly's avatar

But before dismissing carrot top and his ilk, we should consider how rare it is that a man with political aspirations can actually speak his mind and say EXACTLY what he means. No one’s going to accuse the billionaire bumpkin of harboring some hidden agenda. The man is the clearest example of “what you see is what you get”, and there isn’t a single flaw not paraded before the voters with blinding consistency.

janbb's avatar

@stanleybmanly And yet they love him. We are a nation of fools.

ragingloli's avatar

@stanleybmanly
We have seen that before. It ended with 6 million dead jews.

zenvelo's avatar

@stanleybmanly I agree with you, yet that is exactly why he is not qualified for office. He has no subtlety, no nuance, no way to reach an accord with someone who disagrees with him.

And, as stated above, he is not a “self-made billionaire.” He owes the Federal Courts a great deal of gratitude for overseeing Bankruptcies.

Pachy's avatar

Not according to the Constitution. Trump is a joke, a very bad joke.

stanleybmanly's avatar

@zenvelo That’s a very good point. The road from son & inheritor of a multimillionaire to billionaire has very smooth pavement.

@ragingloli no, the comparisons aren’t quite so dramatic, and there are striking contrasts. Hitler was a superb orator with SEVERAL hidden agendas, and Trump will never be in his class. But then again, you might have something there. The movers and shakers in Germany at the time consistently underestimated Hitler and particularly his ruthlessness.

@janbb There is sadly no defense against your argument.

kritiper's avatar

Not by itself, no. It is a ”...government by the people, for the people.” Not a government by the dollar, for the dollar.

LostInParadise's avatar

Trump is not self-made. He inherited his wealth. Does anybody here know just how good a businessman he is? I know that several of his companies went bankrupt.

stanleybmanly's avatar

@kripter and here we come to the disparity between the mission statement and the actuality on the ground. No one with a lick of sense believes that this is a government by and for the people.

jca's avatar

He was the son of the boss, so he was coddled and babied. As the boss now, he is cowtowed to and has his ass kissed daily by multitudes of people (employees, the public, the media, audience of his stupid shows). Now everyone is looking at him as “wow, he’s unlike any other politician, he’s not diplomatic.” I hope he’s not the best the Republican party has. Maybe I do hope he’s the best the Republican party has, and then he’ll be voted off the island and Hilary or Bernie Sanders will win.

ucme's avatar

I have no interest in taking up political office, so no.

stanleybmanly's avatar

@jca That’s an interesting topic. What are the chances that we’ll have an opportunity to choose from “the best” of either party? It seems that actual competence is no longer the primary consideration. That question from FOX: Will you back the Republican nominee, regardless of who it is, pretty much says the way things are designed to work.

Apparently_Im_The_Grumpy_One's avatar

It’s just a sad reality. The absolute best person for the job is probably barely making ends meet.

tinyfaery's avatar

Nope. Neither should anyone be able to get rich from politics.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@LostInParadise

It seems these days that be considered a great businessperson the only requisite is for people to know your name, regardless of what your actual record is. Just like Carly Fiorina. I keep hearing people mention her as a successful business person due to the fact that she once served as CEO of Hewlett-Packard. Nevermind that under her tenure she laid off 30,000 workers, HP’s stock took a nosedive and she was asked to resign.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

“Your prime responsibility is to the people living in it, not money.” @ragingloli

“Nope. Neither should anyone be able to get rich from politics.” @tinyfaery

“It’s just a sad reality. The absolute best person for the job is probably barely making ends meet.” @Apparently_Im_The_Grumpy_One

“It is a ’...government by the people, for the people.’ Not a government by the dollar, for the dollar.” @kritiper

“No one with a lick of sense believes that this is a government by and for the people.” @stanleybmanly

And why is it no longer by and for the people? Could it by any chance be how our whole electroral process has evolved into a process weighted away from the people? Can the way lobbying is conducted in our national and state capitals have anything to do with the reason our elected “representatives” no longer represent the will of the people they elect but the desires of those who pay for their elections? Why don’t we have third parties like most other democracies? Why aren’t other parties included in the national debates? Can we change the process? Do we have a choice?

How about this:
Let’s start with our representatives in Congress. If the goal is to have a genuine citizen legislature, make a seat in any of the 50 state legislatures a full-time job paying, say, $125,000 a year, freeze pay in the US Congress at 191,000 per year. But prohibit all outside income. Require members to place all their financial holdings in a blind trust. And ban any member from the House or Senate from engaging in any form of lobbying for at least five years after leaving office. These people are in the House or Senate to serve us and not to pad their present income or their future careers in lobbying, and they should do so full time, at the exclusion of everything else. It is their duty while in office. We’re not asking them to give their lives for their country for chrissake, we’re only asking to be served properly.

A system such as this would attract more teachers, nurses, small business people, more low and middle income people, more minority residents, more everyday people who could afford to serve. Isn’t that what a representative form is government is supposed to look like? What a democracy ought to look like?

We need to reverse supreme court decisions such as FEC v Citizens United and level the playing field between we the people and our corporations that operate in our democracy under our good graces. We need to open debates to other parties. I’d like to see Jill Stein up against some of these guys. I think America would be impressed, but as it is, nobody knows who Jill Stein is because she can’t get into the debates without getting arrested. We need to do a lot if we want to get our democracy back.

We need to decide what we need to do to fix this, then simply do it as a citizen’s united front, or soon it won’t matter if you are conservative or liberal or moderate. It won’t matter because none of us will have any voice left at all. It will just seem like it.

elbanditoroso's avatar

No more than being a neurosurgeon does.

The only requirements a person needs:

age 35
a massive ego

Apparently_Im_The_Grumpy_One's avatar

@Espiritus_Corvus I’m glad you’re a patriot who actually believes that. However, I don’t buy it. You know why? I ain’t got the money.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

@Apparently_Im_The_Grumpy_One WTF? What does it cost you personally to drop the cynicism and discuss solutions to reclaiming and preserving your country’s democracy?

Apparently_Im_The_Grumpy_One's avatar

Huh? I’m afraid you don’t understand the joke.

stanleybmanly's avatar

Well sitting here and complaining ain’t gonna do it. I’ve broken with cynical tradition and thrown cash at Sanders. Against all odds, and a feeling bordering on depression, I feel there’s no aternative to volunteering to join the campaign for the man where the contagion of my cynicism will become epidemic.

tinyfaery's avatar

The voice of the people has been eradicated for decades. This country is by and got corporations and their puppets (politicians).

ibstubro's avatar

All native-born Americans are qualified to be President, are they not?

Billionaire gets you heard.

Does being in your own family-made political empire qualify you to be President?

si3tech's avatar

I don’t think it qualifies anyone for politics but…....it sure goes a long way to establishing that you can’t be bought or influenced by political action committees and lobbyists. A huge plus for me.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@si3tech

I wouldn’t count on that. If Trump were president do you think he wouldn’t grant favors to those who can benefit his companies?

Strauss's avatar

@ibstubro All native-born Americans are qualified to be President..

All are qualified to run for President, but they still have to convince a lot of people to vote for them.

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