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Christians, what are your thoughts on the "separation of church and state?"?

Asked by Dutchess_III (47069points) September 23rd, 2015

Anyone can answer, of course, but I don’t really recall much discussion here on the First Amendment Or am I just blind?!

This question was prompted by a former Jelly, who is a Christian, messaging me on facebook and asked me to tell let everyone know that “I just gave credit to my atheist and agnostic friends for opening my eyes to many issues regarding theism and how we integrate that into our lives.’

I asked for more information and she sent the following:
She was involved in a conversation that centered around the question “Should “In Reason We Trust” replace “In God We Trust” on deputies’ vehicles?”

Her answer was “Neither. Belief in God is a personal choice by each officer, not a blanket statement. I’m a Christian but I will continue to push for equal rights for all, not just theists.”

Someone named Christopher replied to her comment and said, “I wish I could put this on a billboard, it’s almost impossible to find religious people with this much sense these days. Thanks.”

Our Jelly replied “Thanks! I have to give credit to my atheist and agnostic friends, they really opened my eyes to non-theist thinking and changed my entire perspective. Many theists fellowship within the church/ religious affiliations, but often that leads to very narrow perspective. I didn’t like what I was hearing and seeing from fellow theists/ conservatives. This religion thing may be a fairytale to many people who don’t believe, but to many it’s their whole world- we need to find a happy medium so I try to do my part by talking to both sides openly. Also, I’d like a President that is not just a talking head for the churches, but for ALL of us”

Do you agree or disagree with her views?

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jca's avatar

I am not very religious but I do believe in God. My religion is Protestant. I believe in the separation of Church and State.

Dutchess_III's avatar

When I was on Wis.dm the question of the 10 Commandments being posted in courthouses came up. I was all for it. They are good rules to live by, right? It was Rarebear who pointed out to me that if there were Islamic religious “rules” posted in a courthouse, would I, as a Christian, still feel comfortable about getting a fair trial. I really thought about that for a long time.

rojo's avatar

I agree with her view. She is comfortable with her religion and her beliefs and understands that showing is so much more important, and impressive, that commanding or demanding.

rojo's avatar

Also, I would like to keep religion out of politics. I am not saying that only atheists should hold political office, on the contrary. I think that your particular religious beliefs are a part of you and your world view and should come into account when you serve in public office. My problem with religion in politics is when it becomes the end game; that is that we need to fashion our laws and our society around your particular religious views. That is where I draw the line.

I would like to point out that Brian Fischer of AFR is not happy with the pope injecting his religious beliefs into the political arena, much like many members of the Republican party members in Congress. Evidently he believes that only his particular take on religion should be injected into the political system and everyone else, Catholics and Muslims in particular, should mind their own fucking business I am paraphrasing here

Pandora's avatar

I believe in separation of church and state, but I think the biggest problem comes when someones personal beliefs have blended with their morals and people disregard their stand on an issue because of their faith.

An example would be abortion. Not everyone who believes abortion is wrong is religious. I’ve known some atheist who thought it was murder. And not every spiritual or religious person believes that plan parenthood needs to shut down.

Just the same that not every person who believes in the death penalty is an atheist.
These are things that are decided by whom we vote for. They are suppose to be representatives of different parts of this country and by the majority that vote them into office. So it isn’t quite as easy to separate church and state, try that we may.

This is a big country with thousands of communities that are each asking to be heard. But it is inevitable that some are going to have their toes stomped. It’s not perfect but all we can all do is keep trying.

North Korea is an atheist state and all that does is allow their leader to hold himself up as some sort of God. He gets to decide what is moral or not moral and you are free to argue it with him of course if you don’t like your head attached to your shoulders.

There were also nations in Africa before religion came that still had feuds and wars. If it’s not religion, it’s revenge, or it will be greed. Ever since man could walk and voice his different opinions and lift a stick to strike, there has always been war and conflict. Winner lives, loser dies. Winner gets all the women and power. Mankind is morally corrupt. Religion tempers some and gives an excuse to those who are already morally corrupt. But they would’ve always found a reason to fight. You think all who are in the KKK are religious? Doubt it. They just want to reign over others and make themselves feel important and exert their cruel nature upon others.

So you say that he isn’t talking for all of us. So you don’t want peace in the world? You don’t want us to do all we can to preserve our planet and help heal it? You don’t want our men and women not ever needing to go to war? You don’t care if the poor, many who are children, in our country to be fed, educated or taken care of when they are sick? Or have a roof over their heads? You don’t have to be religious to want those things. Compassion isn’t just for the religious person.

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