Wait! What? The Pope and the 'Chosen Clerk of Kentucky' had a meet and greet?
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September 29th, 2015
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How interesting. The homophobic woman from Kentucky had a private meeting with the Pope during his visit to the United States. The Pope gave both her and her husband prayer beads which had been blessed.
How mortifying and embarrassing: “Well, Sir, you have just met our best and finest. Our finest example of…”
Why do you believe ANYONE would arrange a meeting between a spiritual leader of a worldwide religion and someone who denies legal ceremonies for alternative lifestyle marriages? Oh, and her faith doctrines also denounces the basis of the spiritual leader’s religious practices within his church.
Pope Met With Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis, Her Lawyers Say – ABC News http://abcn.ws/1ReXHm7
Please tell me they won’t use those prayer beads for curtain ties.
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Catholics don’t use prayer beads, the say the Rosary. I don’t believe it.
Funny thing is, any Appastolic Pentacostal I ever met preached that the Pope was the Anti Christ.
I don’t hear he had met her. He was asked about what she was doing, and the Pope said everyone has the right to be a conscientious objector. I agree with that. She’s has the right to object. She just can’t stay in her position if she objects.
Her type of Christian usually doesn’t even acknowledge the Catholics as Christians.
Tap on the link above. I read many accounts (news junkie) and this one seemed to balance the facts most equally.
I called them ‘prayer beads’ because for some reason, that is how they were labeled for the Pope’s trip. I know they are Rosary beads, I’m not really sure why the insistence for this? change in name. ???
Does anyone know?
Thx
@Judi
Same here. Apostolic Pentacostals are not exactly known for their ecumenism :)
I wonder how the Pope would feel about his new role as the Anti-Christ ~~
:D
I sure hope this woman’s fifteen minutes of fame expires soon. I’m sick and tired of reading about her.
It is funny, because according to at least the last pope, protestants are not real christians either.
The headline should read:
“Antichrist meets with Heretic.”
If they met that’s fine with me. He can meet with whomever he wants.
I saw the NY Times link on FB. I didn’t read it (because I’m in a bit of a hurry now) but I did click on the comments, and one said “pictures or it didn’t happen.” I agree with that one. Also, I find it hard to believe he met with her and told her to “stay strong” which is what the article headline said, because he is pro-gay marriage, from what I hear. I can’t imagine he’d support her stance if he is for gay marriage.
If this is true then I will be losing respect for the Pope. People have been unfairly accusing him of political interference for his statements regarding immigration and global warming. The Pope has every right to comment on matters that result in global suffering. However, encouraging someone not to perform the duties of her elected political position is definitely political interference and the Pope should not be doing it.
I don’t feel he was encouraging someone not to do their job. He was encouraging, or saying, that people have the right to be conscientious objectors. To speak out against what they feel is wrong. Some people wish some soldiers had done that regarding the war in Iraq.
“Who am I to judge?” Since we don’t know if they met or what was said, why speculate and get our knickers in a twist?
Difinitive proof, @DoNotKnow!~
Difficult to believe.
On the sage advice of @janbb, I shall not twist my knickers over it at this time.
@DoNotKnow Did you actually read that text and do you actually believe it is from The New York Times? (This is why librarians are needed.)
And even if he has met with her, we wouldn’t know what was said.
: ) Sorry @janbb, that was actually my lousy sense of humor. I wrote that fake article.
Most news sources are confirming that the Vatican confirmed that they did meet, but would not elaborate. So, yes – we don’t have any idea what they discussed.
If they met he probably told her she did the wrong thing. That’s the kind of Pope he appears to be.
Besides, the Pope doesn’t mean anything to anyone other than Catholics.
And then there’s this(1)&CNDID=21508852&spMailingID=8115639&spUserID=MjczNzc0NzQ1NTIS1&spJobID=763266811&spReportId=NzYzMjY2ODExS0 factual report as well. :-)
^^ Tried to get that link right but timeD out in about two minutes!
janbb- Im sorry! I thought it would be available. Those tricky devils at ABC!
Ok- I can offer you CNN’s take:
Kim Davis met with Pope Francis
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/30/us/kim-davis-pope/index.html
There we go.
Now , for your trouble and extra points for making me laugh I can get you a deal on these articles also;
Kardahainionsonomatopoeia family has its usual 894 daily news releases- this one- # 249— ‘the Kardahstorpedohiyathere family extolling the virtues of coconut milk.
Or
A story about a guy getting bitten by a spider on a plane and his leg exploded…wait… was the spider on vacation-therefore on the plane… Then how could the guy bite the spider? Were they traveling together?
Or
20 great recipes for Hungarian Borsht with Swedish meatballs…
That’s about all I’ve got.
Oh wait- one last-
Santa’s elves threatening a strike- to coincide with New Years Eve.
Never mind.
My apologies
@msh I was talking about my link in the post above the second one – that’s what the ^^ means.
The Pope’s behavior is consistent with his beliefs. The Church is ALWAYS behind the curve with the society in which it is immersed. The attitude on gay folks will shift because it MUST. There can be no other result for the Church, in which the issue is already hotly debated. After all, once it becomes clear that people don’t CHOOSE to be gay, the policy of mistreating people for behaving as GOD MADE THEM is no longer tenable.
I got it. I figured. janbb, thank you.
So no Borscht and meatballs with a coconut water chaser?
Tsk.
How disappointing…..
I read an op/ed piece in the NY Times that suggested that the Pope is very supportive of people’s right to conscientious objection. He has stated he is for gay rights, I believe.
They just said on the pm news that the meeting was set up ahead of time.The Pope requested the meeting remain secret.
Whatever.
NPR reported that the meeting was set up 10 days ahead, confirmed the day before. Davis’ lawyer refused to divulge who requested the meeting. She was at the Vatican embassy for an hour and a half, met with the Pope ‘under 15 minutes, certainly’. They promised to pray for each other, he told he to keep up the good fight, and he gave her 2 rosarys. She gave the rosarys to her parents, who are both devout Roman Catholics.
Interesting! Thank you! I did not hear the layout. Huhn.
I am still puzzled as to their different faith-bases.
Was he trying to reason with her- or give a high-five?
What do you think- more attention-getting or genuine dialogue?
Her lawyer timed the public disclosure perfectly.
I dunno.
According to Davis’ lawyer, the Pope was offering support in the context of religious freedom.
Listen here.
I think its amazing. The Pope goes in the House and speaks about preserving all life through all its stages. Basically, don’t kill anyone from birth to adulthood for any reason. That would include, abortion, death penalty, or even war, and no one bats an eye. Oh, he is so great. Not even the plan parenthood people speak up.
He visits one lady and tells her to stay strong and follow her conscious against gay marriage (because lets face it, the Catholic Church would never marry a gay couple and will always consider such a union as a sin, like the their view on murder) and suddenly the Anti Christ looks like a winner.
My point is that his views are still very Catholic. The only difference between him and other Popes is that he is making an effort to be more inclusive and he is trying to find ways to bridge the gaps that separate mankind as a whole. It doesn’t mean that he is just going to chuck away years of his belief to win Mr. Popularity. He probably was advised to keep the meeting quiet because people will try to use it to undermine his message of peace and love and tolerance. And they were right. I’ve seen this headlined everywhere today.
ibstubro- thank you so very much for finding that NPR interview. That was kind of you. I listened to it twice. What a great lawyer- acted officiously and said nothing. He implied and inferred, but did not say anything. “Pray for me”‘s exchanged. “Stay strong” (For what? The Olympic trials?) The interveiwer did bring up there were others of whom also saw the Pope- (including a Wahlberg) which tweaked at the lawyer that it wasn’t a big deal- she was one of many. I believe her attorney missed the subtleties.
**sigh** At least she gave the Pope’s gift to someone who would appreciate it.
Thank you again. :)
Suddenly it makes sense! These private greetings with the Pope, including the same gifts she received, were given to people who gave substantial donations to the right Catholic churches. Even the Pope’s comments were SOP. I now doubt the Pope realized who he was addressing.
@Pandora It’s not that people are upset the Pope spoke and supported a woman against gay marriage, it’s that she seems like a little bit of a crackpot.
Birth to adulthood is not all stages of life to the Pope, I think you meant conception to a natural death.
I suspect that people are freaking out a bit because after years of seeing the Catholic church crumble due to the fact it was a child-raping organization, there were many Catholics who see Francis as a figure who was cleaning up the image of the church. Non-Catholics can find much to agree with him on (re: climate change and economic inequality).
But to have met with (in probable support of) Kim Davis, we’re all reminded that what we’re dealing with here is still a struggle to drag religion into modernity. And it reveals how dangerous religious belief can be. Here in Massachusetts, where every Catholic I know supports same-sex marriage (we’ve had it here since 2004), it will mean that they have to somehow resolve their reasonable, modern thinking with the fact that Francis appears to support that fucktard and the fight against civil rights. It’s going to mean that their kids are less likely to be Catholic.
As an atheist, if I could find something to be optimistic about, it would be the fact that in 2015, the leader of the Catholic church meeting with a shitty person like Kim Davis generates large amounts of controversy. If the controversy is real – as in people (and Catholics) truly are upset by this – it speaks well of people overall, and says much about the future of backwards religions.
Thank you jca. I truly appreciate being able to see words put into some of the thoughts I am still feeling about this papal visit. I appreciate your time taken to post it. That was thoughtful.
It is excellent!
As I finished reading this NYT article, I found myself shaking my head at the duplicity of those involved with this fiasco. That this meeting was “asked for and arranged by the Vatican”, ie: don’t put the blame upon any priests in KY, or nearby, or even North America! And again, please forgive us for that silly Inquisition business…
I don’t know if I can even say what a disappointment I truly felt that out of all the hoo-ha. That **something** should’ve been strong enough to cause even the tiniest bit of a step forward for the groups whom would benefit the most from such a gesture.
That even a needed nod acknowledging an iota of awareness of the struggles some experience in their lives today should’ve happened. (And not for just the struggles of the loving couples in Kentucky denied a marriage license, but others also.)
Was it the old idiom: You can fool none of the people all of the time, but all of the people some of the time?
One last self-pat on the back for the house speaker before his exit? A “Top This!” tweek to his successor?
What can I say?
SNAFU, comes to mind.
And ok, a teensy tiny flicker of a hope existed for a sign, but it went out somewhere during the first street parade.
Hope springs eternal in the human heart…sucker.
Again, thank you jca. :)
I can only imagine he feels torn on the issue. He’s amazingly liberal, but has he ever said anything about same sex marriages?
Nice article, @jca. Thanks for sharing.
I like him.
Interesting article. Haven’t taken the time to verify this source’s credibility though.
New York Times account.
Highlights:
“A lawyer for Ms. Davis, Mathew D. Staver, said in an interview that the Vatican’s version of events was “absolute nonsense” and that “somebody is trying to throw some people under the bus.””
“He said Archbishop Viganò personally contacted Ms. Davis late in the day on Sept. 14 suggesting a private meeting with Pope Francis on Sept. 24.”
”… “we were led to believe that the invitation did come directly from Pope Francis.””
Note that the lawyer was in contact with the Catholic hierarchy in April, this year.
He could have chosen a more appealing and eloquent martyr?
^^^ I’m not sure what your point was, @ibstubro. Could you clarify?
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