Do all of the Syrian refugees in America have a place to stay?

I wonder where they’ll be on the lists for public housing. Will they move to the top of the lists and replace someone who has been waiting?

@jca I would assume charities are helping place people.

We still have holding centers I think. Where we hold new immigrants? Maybe some of them are there?

I don’t know, I’m just thinking out loud.

Where they should have places to go, this is a case where the deeds of a few screwed it up for the vast majority. I should feel sorry for them, but for some reason I do not. Probably for the same reason the few nut jobs that shoot people ruin it for all gun owners, and why assault weapons should be banned because they are ugly and look menacing, and NRA members are all painted with the same broad brush.

This is what our Governor announced today….

Gov. Bruce Rauner on Monday said Illinois will temporarily suspend accepting Syrian refugees following deadly attacks in Paris last week.
“Our nation and our state have a shared history of providing safe haven for those displaced by conflict, but the news surrounding the Paris terror attacks reminds us of the all-too-real security threats facing America,” Rauner said in a statement. “We must find a way to balance our tradition as a state welcoming of refugees while ensuring the safety and security of our citizens. Therefore, the state of Illinois will temporarily suspend accepting new Syrian refugees and consider all of our legal options pending a full review of our country’s acceptance and security processes by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.”

@Cruiser I completely disagree with that sentiment. Let’s make sure they are registered correctly, and we can even make them check in at times, but to forbid them from entering a state? I can’t imagine it. Do they have documents we can check?

@JLeslie I see your point but on the news tonight they interviewed a Syrian refugee over in Europe who pointed out how ridiculously easy it was for anyone to get a fake Syrian passport. So I am behind Ruaner’s decision of taking a pause to step back and review security procedures on the State and more importantly the Federal levels as to who these refugees really are and what needs they have.

@Cruiser I think it’s important we do some sort of verification, or check, or something. I hope the federal government is taking some steps. But, to just outright refuse them sounds wrong to me. It’s just everything altogether for me. Everything I mentioned above. It all sounds so hateful the way it is being done, rather than simply being prudent.

I myself have said that I think the majority if the refugees are probably in sure straights and need to leave, but a portion are “happy” to have this excuse, or opportunity, to leave.

@JLeslie I agree but I will withhold saying it all sounds hateful until I have a better understanding of the processing that refugees face when trying to find safe haven on our shores.

For me, it’s not a matter of hate vs. not hate. It’s a matter of wanting to make sure they’re all on the up and up. It doesn’t matter for me anyway, because NY is taking them as far as I know.

Even if we take a fairly conservative 2% of Muslims (Ethnic or Converts) are fundamentalist or extremist, that represents a significant number of people to consider given how many have been recruited in the past few years. Perhaps it is prudent to freeze things until we get a handle on what we have vs. what we stand to get. This is assuming the guys investigating have an iota of competence. (which I am getting less and less confident of) For me Hate has nothing to do with it. It has to do with things that go boom or getting perforated by some weirdo.

@majorrich How many have been recruited in the last few years? You mean fundamentalists that want to blow people and things up? You say 2% and then you talk about recruits. You confused me. I think there is 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. You might want to double check me. 2% is a pretty humongous number. What would that be? 30 million? My decimal might be in the wrong place.

I Googled what percentage of Muslims are fundamentalist or extremists and got numbers by country and percentages anywhere from 30% down to 5% who thought the acts of terror (various incidents so I was salt graining) were justified. I took 2% because it was the smallest percentage I could find on that search. Then I read that Muslim and Isis terrorism was not all perpetrated by ethnic Syrian, or Egyptian or whatever nationality, and I wanted to include non-Middle east converts into the Gross total of Muslims in the population of the US. If on the High side we have 2% that are sympathetic to radical Muslim actions (meaning they do nothing to stop it) then in the US we are Neck Deep in CaCa. If we take the World population of Conservatively 20 million for arguments sake and put a high side estimate of 2% there, we are in even deeper CaCa. Using this rather simplistic strictly mathematical model. That’s a bunch of people meaning to do harm by action or inaction. In actuality, the remaining 98% who do nothing mean a whole mess of trouble for (selfishly speaking) Judeo-Christian western Europe and the America’s. What I perceive as happening is infiltration, conversion then radicalization in countries that flung their doors open when refugees laced with radical Imams came west into EU countries. Following this model by portraying themselves as victims, refusing to assimilate into the host culture, insisting on autonomy and Sharia law. My perception of the future of Western civilization looks pretty grim. They purport to hate the very things that drew them into the country in the first place. It doesn’t take much research to see what is happening in the US. Using our own freedoms that are denied in their homeland to wreak havoc here. I am of a mind to put on the brakes and cogitate on the situation before we open the doors further.

Why would Uncle Sam want to take in a bunch of redacted? ~~ Even though it was partly (maybe more so) to his meddling in the Middle East that got the world here. Uncle Sam just wants boot lackey friends in the Middle east, to hell with the people, if they ain’t kissing US hiney redacted. Sure the party of Twiddle Dumb will use it to bolster their clowns and buffoons, the biggest they ever had stood on a flight deck and claimed ”Mission accomplished” years ahead of when Obama actually did it. To be happy that someone else is doing the heavy lifting and bombing people back to the Stone Age is part of the ”Western Golden Rule”; might makes right. If it seems like killing all of the cats because they are to blame because a rat bit one’s toe, that is the Western way, blame the cats for not getting the rat before he got to the toe, then seek to kill every rodent in exchange.

@majjorrich The only thing I would still question, and I’m not trying to give you a hard time, I’m just taking all the information in and sifting through it, is fundamental can mean too many things. It can mean happy to kill western civilization, or it might just mean very religious. Doing nothing to stop this horrible movement is not the same as being part of it. I know we say standing idly by is just as bad, but my point would be those sitting idly by who would never harm a fly are not a really a direct threat if the murderous radicals don’t exist.

I may be using the wrong word too. I was searching for devout and strict followers, kind of like Mormons who really try to have an unshakeable uncompromising faith in Islam. Just not crazy. Where we might disagree is on the killing part. If Islam is a religion of peace, than wouldn’t it be the duty of the devout to try and stop the crazy factions? For example, take the Westboro Baptist church, there is a bunch of Zany people if ever there was one. Christians of all flavors are trying like crazy to get them to cut out their antics. The Baptist Church won’t touch them! If Muslims aren’t active in opposition to the violence, then they are complicit with the violence in my opinion. By their silence they are supporting it and by that are just as guilty as if they held the gun in their own hands. I may putting a bit of my own beliefs on the dispite my attempts to be objective though.

@majorrich I’m Jewish, we are raised with the idea that standing by in silence contributes to the menacing movement. I get it. But, even in your example of the Christians, it’s not like all Christians actively do something about the nut jobs. I’m glad many denounce the crazy antics, but there certainly are good, devout, Christians who disagree with the nut jobs, but just keep to themselves or ignore them. They are silent, but not the cause.

Faith without works is dead. I don’t know where it comes from, but my Father drilled me with it all my life. That is why I do so much of the stuff I do/did.

@JLeslie I have been reading up on the refugee situation here in Illinois and we have already taken in 168 Syrian refugees since the Arab spring uprising. Before these people were welcomed into our communities they had to go through a year and a half of questioning. Evidently the vetting process at the Federal Level is very rigorous and why even Obama is keeping the overall numbers of refugees to be allowed at relatively low totals. This stopping of the process by our Governor at least in a temporary measure to ensure that there are no shortcuts in this vetting process that according to all involved works.

In the proper perspective of the overall efforts we do do to welcome all refugees it seems pretty reasonable to me.

@Cruiser Thanks for looking into it. What I wonder is can the governor even stop them from coming into the state? If someone is here legally, then they are. We don’t tell them they can’t cross state lines do we? They are accepted into the country, not the state, aren’t they? Maybe they are restricted to not cross state lines? I have no idea.

@JLeslie Here is a Refugee Resettlement Fact Sheet that has a good slug of information on what the resettlement process is like. Sounds like a whole lot of meetings and hard work.

@JLeslie – Remember that ISIS has taken over many Syrian cities. In doing so they have also gained control of official Syrian documentation. Passports, Visas, birth and death records, every possible document we would have to check the validity of refugee backgrounds. I assume you have more faith in our governments ability to verify the veracity of the refugees than I do. Remember that the Tsarnaevs were refugees and Rand Paul talks about a couple of Syrian refugees that were caught trying to buy missiles in Tennessee. We are vulnerable and it would only take a few to make a Paris like statement and send us right back into recession. Personally, I think a little prudence is valid. Take a look at our vetting before we open the flood gates.

@Jaxk I think documentation is a concern from Syria, but when they come here we can control our documentation. Fingerprints, photos, making them check in with government officials, etc.