Would you care to discuss the Oregon "take over" in light of this article?

That is a tract in support of armed insurrectionists that support convicted arsonists who destroyed public lands to cover up illegal hunting.

Specifically, point (j) was an act of arson and destruction of public lands that they were told not to perform, but they went ahead and did anyway.

The same groups have tried to stay their water rights have been thwarted deposit their trying tactics that were discredited in the 19th century. They believe they can control public water sources for their private use.

Thank you. However, (j1) concludes “The Harney County District Attorney reviewed the accusation, evidence and charges, and determined the accusations against Dwight & Steven Hammond did not warrant prosecution and dropped all the charges.”

The group is being referred to as “Vanilla Isis”. I think that is hysterical!

I know all derision that is being thrown their way. They’re grown ass men playing militia in their toy fort. They’re going to get hungry and cold and wet and dirty and then they’ll go home to Mommy. There was nothing to discuss there.

I wanted to discuss the article I posted in the details.

I read only part of the article, because it is really long as stated in the OP’s details, and I don’t have time to read it all, therefore can’t comment on specifics in the article. The only thing I can say is that the article tells one side of the story, and I’m sure the government has another side. As we all know, there are three sides to every story: The two sides and the truth.

@Dutchess_III Their friend in the local community, the prosecutor, doesn’t have to uphold or enforce Federal laws. But right now those armed thugs have taken over a facility designed for over 100 years to protect wildlife all in the name of private business.

All I know is they’re already asking people to mail them snacks. We should send bird seed so the hostages don’t go hungry.

I hope it doesn’t end up like Waco.

@Seek repeat:
“All I know is they’re already asking people to mail them snacks. We should send bird seed so the hostages don’t go hungry.

Send meal and fishing worms so the hostages can self sustain.

These ‘innocent’ squatters aren’t even from the area. They’ve been threatening those from the community while in town, also. I say round them up, put ‘m on the same flight with the Git-mo Bay releases and plunk them down, hmmm let’s see… in the Libyan oilfield fights going on right now. Pretty nasty hotspot. They’ll Love it! It could be the best thing for them Ever! Talk about any Amendments there and see what kind of welcome they’d receive. Yee-haw!

What I think is interesting here is that a lot of people from the Far Right are seeking to distance themselves from the Bundys. For instance, Stewart Rhodes, head of the Oath Keepers, has denounced the Bundys. Oregon ranchers aren’t too pleased either.

It saddens me that what most people know of the situation is from that article though. Not everyone is capable of recognizing propaganda for what it is, even in blatant cases such as this.

So this is what is so important about the second and a well armed militia… This is your sword. All the deaths to retain your guns “just in-case” they were needed. This is what they go with.

Fucking idiots.

I could have gotten behind the fools if they cared about snooping on my email.

I’m just grateful that the Federal government has finally recognized the efficacy in allowing hunger and boredom to overcome the effects of testosterone driven frustrations on the feebleminded.

They’re also probably frustrated that their claim to fame lasted about 15 minutes.

I read that the neighbor who delivered a pot of chili reported that there were approximately 15 people occupying the preserve building.

Fill in the blank:
“They are prepared to occupy the federal preserve building for years, unless __________.”

It didn’t even sound to be as though the Bundy clan father, Cliven Bundy, was on board.

Honestly. These people need to get out more.

If the government chooses to not allow anyone else to visit (food, etc.), then the occupiers will have to leave sooner rather than later.

Day 1: “We are prepared to occupy this building for years!”

Day 2: “Please send food.”

I don’t think these strategists whent in to this thinking about what a siege actually means.

And that’s why you pay attention in history class.

For an interesting slant on this subject please take the time to read this Slate Article How the US media would cover the Oregon siege if it happened in another country

Nice, @rojo.

@Seek “And that’s why you pay attention in history class.”

Given how many of them have English at a fifth-grade level and math skills somewhere short of where I was by third-grade, I’d say that that not paying attention in history is the least of their educational shortcomings.

@filmfann, Have you heard “Y’all qaeda”?

@ibstubro They are also called “Yee-Haw-dists”

I heard the Feds were taunting the squatters by standing around eating big bags of chips and Twinkies. Occasionally one of the Rangers drives around and tosses giant Snickers bars at such an angle so as to make the sun reflect off the candy bar wrapper in mid-arc, and then the Feds eat them stretching out the caramel from their mouths- like on the commercials. Taunting those inside with cat-calls during the night with temptations and heckles- ” We have Bar-b-Que flavored beef jerrrrrkyyyyy!” And ” Which would you prefer Lyle, Doug? Let’s see, we’ve got Cheetos or Corn Nuts to go with your beer.” Or they open a can of soda against the microphone, pouring the liquid over a glass of ice- turned up a full volume.
Tomorrow they are going to have agents with outdoor grills and a variety of meats, turned with their backs to the squatters, to purposefully make visible errors in their grilling techniques. It’s a cruel torture, and they are expecting to to make those inside keen and wail, while their leaders shout ” No,no,no! You’re doing it all wrong!” This dangerous form of torture just might end the standoff. It should prove successful- we’ll let you know!

@msh please provide an objective report of that. The FBI has purposely stayed away from the area to prevent provocation. No need to spread misinformation.

Haha. If that’s not happening (and it’s not), it should be.

Why do some people believe everything they read?

I find it interesting how the media has pretty much dropped out of the whole fiasco. That’s good. They aren’t getting any more attention, except for people like us who are making fun of them. Have you seen the Oregon Militia Homoerotic Fan Fiction? It is HILARIOUS!

@Dutchess_III Rule 34 knows no bounds….

@zenvelo – No problem!
The article was published in the Travel Section of The New York Times. It was on page 22.
Under: ‘Travel Must-See’s In Our Own Wild West”. Usually in this section, they tend to list just fairs and festivals, and some flea markets, but decided to add this stand off get-together so that tourists can “experience life as it was in the real Wild West!” There are chartered bus tours which allows tourists to actually take photos of the actual recluse-stand-off-ees! Bus Tours leave the hotel Chez-Lounge hourly. There are no food, candy, drinks, nor corn nuts allowed on the bus, however. This is for your own safety, and that of your co-bus riders. We will then drop off those interested in the Hay-Seed Dance in the Town Hall!
Oh shoot! I forgot to write down the date of that issue! I’ll get back to you…~~~~:)

@msh Please provide us with a link.

To get you started, here

@msh There is no such story on the NY Times website. And Travel section articles are put together weeks in advance, not in the middle of a breaking news story.

Please don’t make stuff up in the middle of a discussion.

Yes. Please wait until we are all done with a discussion before you make stuff up.

It was meant to be. Are some not able to differentiate? Of course things like this didn’t occur.
Others may interject humor in forum, but not I? Huhn. Perhaps some should take a check into their own past postings.
Lighten up for God’s sake.
When you have the ‘jelly talking stick’ it’s your turn to speak. When you pass it on, you let go!!
Please. Continue on….
Who wants the jelly talking stick now?

Me…....ummmmmmmmmmppppppph

Yo ro Jo. Pass me that bag-o jelly talking sticks!

Hey! I want a grape one! No wait! Apple!

@rojo – I don’t know if it helps flatulence, but you might try
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrJG3X7dXsI&sns=em
:)

Uh-oh.
Guess Facebook just got more grist.
Tsk. Awww.
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Well this one deteriorated into absolute nonsense quickly…

I think it’s time someone in authority closed the Preserve.
No one in, no one out.
It’s incomprehensible to me that they’re allowing new squatters to enter the compound.

No one wants to shoot anyone. Great! Confine the militants to a defined area, surround that area with razor wire, and wait.
By most reports the militants don’t have the support of the Hammonds of the local community. Publicity seeking nut-jobs should be discouraged from joining ranks with the misguided already on site.

Can we revoke Bundy’s half million dollar federal lone? That would sting.

I think the fact that they are getting zero attention, other than people making fun of them, is going to hurt them the most, psychologically, anyway. They thought they’d become a global sensation.

“Al-Shabubba” @filmfann & @zenvelo. lol

Here’s another, opposing version of the story to consider:

De-bullshitifying the libertopian Legend of Malheur National Wildlife Refuge

@ibstubro

My understanding is that the feds are no longer allowing anyone to enter or leave and have ordered utilities to the building to be shut off.

@Darth_Algar

It’s unclear the ‘Pacific Patriot Network’s’ role, but they were heavily armed and allowed onto the compound.

Police shut off power at BLM fire station near refuge while Electricity remained on at the refuge, where protesters are using various buildings including the museum and the bunkhouse.

I think it’s hilarious that they “seized” the cabin. The empty cabin. They seized it by their superior use of guns and intimidation. Maybe they had to bravely chase bats and squirrels out.

The sacrifices the few make to preserve white heritage.

They are in dire need of Miracle Whip and French Vanilla flavored creamer.

@zenvelo Don’t you mean Freedom Vanilla?

Here’s a quote from Montana Senator John Tester:

“There’s a disturbing trend growing across the county. We’ve seen a group of motivated people working to take away the public’s right to freely access our public land. We cannot let that happen—not in Oregon, and not here.

But these anti-public land advocates are smart. They don’t call it “cutting off access to public lands,” because no one would stand for that. So they say things like “turn it over to the states.”

The problem is, no state can afford it. In Montana, we have nearly 30 million acres of publicly-protected lands. Now, we’re in good fiscal shape, but managing an additional 30 million acres is something we just couldn’t afford. We’d be left with one option: sell off the land to the highest bidder. Our economy would suffer and we would lose access to our treasured hunting and fishing spots, and that would change our state forever.

We cannot let that happen. In the West, our outdoor heritage—and time-honored activities like hunting, fishing, and hiking—are traditions passed down from parent to child. We cannot allow our public lands to be locked up, sold off, or only accessible to the wealthy few.

I’m a small farmer. I come from a long line of small farmers. I understand better than most folks in Washington how important it is for us to protect our treasured landscapes and our natural resources.

But it’s not all about beauty and tradition. In the West, our public lands are a critical part of our economy.

Montana’s outdoor economy contributes nearly $6 billion to our economy. It sustains 64,000 jobs. Our communities rely on those jobs. We have nearly 30 million acres of federally-protected land in Montana—and those acres need to stay public.”