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I recently moved out and I'd like to know of the consequences.

Asked by BurntToast06 (20points) February 15th, 2016

I lived with some so called friends for a couple of months until recently. A friend said they’d let me pay the utilities as part of the living arrangement because beforehand, I didn’t have money and had a low paying job that have me no hours. At the time, it wasn’t too bad until recently, where I was in charge of paying electricity, water, propane, and half of internet. Unfortunately and fortunately, I didn’t have my name on any of the bills.

Well here’s part of the problem: one of the roommates. She had myself and another roommate throw money in a jar, PLAIN SIGHT might I add. Well, that money would be in there for weeks until she felt like getting up and paying them. I thought, well it’s her credit so not my problem. Eventually, there was an outrages water bill, she blamed it on me letting a faucet drip, which I doubt I did and even so, shouldn’t have added up to it. At first I was unsure why it was so high and didn’t trust her, so I called the company and they confirmed the price (the roommate throws away bills and receipts immediately). In the end, I thought long and hard how to pay that bill and decided to pay it in full and get over it once and for all. Well, my money sat in a jar a whole week and the roommate tells me I was short on money. Another roommate and I had our money combined for her to pay, she paid their bills first then mine last, so I was the one who was ‘short,’ so I had to pay the remaining that I know were stolen. I didn’t think she would be capable but I confronted her and told her someone stole money and she said who could have stolen when we had nobody around. At the time, I assumed her mother stole the money since she has the reputation. That woman stayed a few days then got up and left without telling anybody goodbye. Either way, I confronted her and demanded I wanted my name on the bills because she’s irresponsible for paying them on time and I’m the one who is paying her to pay them. She gave me stupid excuses then eventually walked away. I immediately decided that it didn’t matter anymore because I was unhappy there. The bills were stupid, and I was the only one who really cleaned, they left me in charge of washing dishes, which most of them, weren’t even mine. Two sinks filled with dishes and only two or three were mine. Aside from that, my other roommate never cleaned the bathroom we shared, I was the one who did. One just threw out trash, the other one cleaned the living room every other month. She did nothing else because she doesn’t do cleaning. One time I asked her about helping clean the yard filled with trash her mother left and that’s the response I got.

Months went by and I recently made some new friends, they helped me out a lot and often let me hang out with them. Eventually, they offered to let me live with them and I told them I wouldn’t mind if they didn’t mind waiting a bit. I didn’t want to be a horrid person and just leave them with a bunch of bills they couldn’t pay. Eventually, I told another friend (who also knows my hirrid roommates) about the new place I was offered. The next day, she told me she convinced my friends to let me move in that weekend, which the girls themselves told me as well. At first, I didn’t want to yet, especially because I wanted to go see my grandmother that weekend. But my friend told me I have to do it now to avoid the next coming bills, and that my roommates were stealing from me and were planning to charge me up the—- with bills (they were going to say it was higher than it really was), and try to move out while I was at work and they were going to throw out my things on the side of a street and change the locks to the house. That changed everything and I felt I should move that very weekend. It took us four hours to move everything. Maybe it wouldn’t have taken so long for them to dump my things out but I doubt they could have easily moved things out without me noticing throughout that whole night especially when I walked home for lunch most days. My friend said they only wanted me there because they wanted me to buy them a PS4 I promised one friend for being a chill friend. I have a generous heart. Anyways that, and they said they didn’t want me living with them because I usually stayed in my room and I didn’t wash the dishes, which, they didn’t do anything themselves.

Anyways, I moved out. Now, I don’t feel morally nor legally obligated to pay for anything. Yet I wanted to take care of bills. My new roommates said I could pay at the end of the month, which is a nice financial help. I decided, to avoid problems with my other roommates and pay the electric and water myself (my ex roommate told me they were really picky and didn’t let you pay if you weren’t the person on the title). I recently got told by one of the roommates that I should at least pay half the internet, which is another fun bill.

The other roommate borrowed money from me from the jar and didn’t tell me till afterwards. Well, the internet bill wasn’t paid for two weeks. After the stolen money fiasco, I told my roommate to show me the bills and tell me when she decides to pay for them because I didn’t want to leave my money out in the open. She failed to do this and decides to talk to someone about it in the living room which I could hear from my room. I gave her the money, and because we were three days late, our bill went from 64 to 100 dollars. So I had to pay fifty afterwards. And the next month was supposedly higher and my roommate didn’t tell me, so she made me pay a hundred (because that’s what she paid supposedly for the last bill). Then came the two week thing, and two weeks after we got internet, she said we had the new bill, and I don’t understand but I was too tired to question it. Apparently, the internet bill is at 150, and slowly it’s supposed to drop down. I want to ask, is that possible for companies to do that? Aside from that, that ex roommate started demanding I at least pay the internet. I recently paid the water and electric and now I barely have any money to my name. The other roommate, I don’t know if she is acting stupid or something but she said she hopes I paid to the right address, which I have both receipts to the bills under the names of the people I know they are under. But she said they weren’t due till next pay check, which made me believe they were going to charge me then pretending I didn’t pay anything.

That’s why I don’t feel morally nor legally obligated to pay for the internet bill which is under her name. I actually wonder if I’d gotten away without legal problems if I didn’t pay the last utilities. I think it’s stupid that I’m even paying the internet, but I forgot some clothes at their house and they are accusing me of taking their Tupperware, which is a lie because I even forgot Tupperware my grandma gave me, but now I want to take it back. I don’t want her to throw my clothes and Tupperware to the trash. Aside from that, I want to know if it’s possible to take my things back, and ask her to hand me a history payment on the internet in return for the money she’s wanting. I intended to pay her even if she was lying, I just want to know.

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8 Answers

chyna's avatar

That sounds very high for Internet expenses. Ask her to see the bills and payment history. Even if she throws that away, she can look at it on the Internet. If you still owe, then pay her and take the rest of your belongings and leave and don’t look back.
Now for yourself. Stop being an irresponsible doormat. Use checks from now on and write down what the check was for on the memo section of the check and keep a notebook of your bills and expenditures. This will teach you to be more responsible.

SavoirFaire's avatar

The legal consequences are pretty straightforward. If you’re name isn’t on any of the bills, then you have no legal responsibility to the company to pay for them. The company cannot do anything to you, only to the person whose name is on the bill. You have an oral contract with your former roommates, but it would be very hard for any of you to enforce it (particularly with regard to the overcharging). If you want to just cut your losses and run, you can do so. You never have to pay your old roommates another penny. There’s nothing they can do about it legally. (They could try, of course, but they won’t get very far—especially since it doesn’t seem like they’re responsible enough with money to handle the court’s filing fees properly.)

The personal consequences are a bit more complicated, though I suspect you already know that. Do you still want to be friends with your old roommates? If so, you’re going to have to talk through what happened at some point. I agree that they behaved appallingly, but there are some things you can do to protect yourself in the future. First of all, your agreement should have been clearer. If you are expected to provide the money to pay a bill, but someone else is actually sending that money to the company, you need to discuss in advance how to handle things like late fees. It seems like you didn’t expect to be responsible for them, and your roommates thought you would be (which is why they didn’t care about paying late). This is the kind of thing that should have been worked out in advance. Take that as a lesson for your new living situation.

As for the moral question, I don’t think you owe your old roommates anything. And no matter how angry they are, it is their moral responsibility to give your belongings back to you. That doesn’t mean they will, but they should. If you want your things back, you could threaten to bring the police with you (they have no right to seize property from you, and an officer would just be there to make sure you only took what was yours). But you could also say that you are willing to (a) not to get the police involved and (b) discuss paying the remaining bills (without promising to actually pay them) if you are allowed to get the things you’ve left behind. That might be enough to get them to let you in the door. After you get your things, you can decide whether you want to pay the remaining bills (or some portion of them). I wouldn’t if I were you, but at least discussing it with them might be worthwhile if it can help you get your stuff back.

Good luck!

Darth_Algar's avatar

- You are under no obligation to them, legally, morally or otherwise. It is neither your fault nor your problem that they decided to not pay the bills even after your providing money for that purpose.

- In the future, if you decide to agree to similar arrangements, insist upon being allowed to see the bill/invoice as a condition of your offering money toward the bills. This should be non-negotiable.

- Insist upon using checks, rather than cash, for your end. Again, non-negotiable. In the “memo” line of the checks write something like “internet”, or “bills” or whatnot, so that it’s clear what the money is for.

- Go, retrieve your remaining property. Get a police officer to go with you when you do. They cannot legally keep any of it and attempting to do so can be considered theft on their part.

CWOTUS's avatar

Welcome to Fluther.

You would seem to have no legal responsibilities to the former roommates from what I understand of what you have posted. (Of course, I’m not an attorney and even a practicing attorney in your area can’t give you a blanket clearance based on such a confusing story.) However, if the details boil down to “I was an invited guest at the residence, and I agreed to help out with some of the monthly expenses”, then there’s no legal case to be made against you. Even if you eventually paid none of the bills that you agreed to pay, you’re still there as a guest, only one who is not pulling his weight. That’s “the case in a nutshell”, as far as I can see.

Ethically, it seems that you have attempted to meet your agreed-upon obligations in good faith. If you think that you have outstanding debts to anyone else in the former household, then it’s up to you how and when to settle those.

However… you seem to need some advice regarding the handling of cash. If your roommate leaves “cash in a jar in the open”, especially among people who may not be fully trustworthy, then you should not be contributing to that kind of problem by putting money in the jar! If you agree to pay for a bill, then you deserve a copy of the bill, and if you’re not actually paying the supplier yourself – and I understand that that isn’t always practical or desirable – then you give the money (or a check) directly to the roommate and you get a receipt. What she does with it after that is her lookout, but if you put “money in a jar” where you don’t think it’s safe, then that’s not just someone else’s problem; that’s on you.

BurntToast06's avatar

Thank you for the advice on the subject. I’ve already discussed the bills and rent with my new roommates and that I’m paying them with checks.

I intend to retrieve my property with someone else since they have keys to the house (the old roommates were making a fuss about the keys and I wasn’t ready to hand them over since I paid for them). Aside from that, other people have already told me the ex roommates want me to pay them six hundred just cause. I don’t want to involve police but if they start demanding as much, I will.

I think I’ve made up my mind on the internet bill though and deciding not to pay it.

marinelife's avatar

You are gone. You now have no obligation. Don’t let them mess with your head!

Cruiser's avatar

A bathroom that is cleaned one a month if lucky and 2 sinks full of dishes tells me you should be jumping for joy to be free from that repressive environment. Some left behind clothes and tupperware IMO is not worth the effort or drama it would invite to get them back.

msh's avatar

Schedule with the police when they could accompany you. Do not go without them at this point. Make sure one individual of the fun pair is there, if you can. That way, if something is not where it should be because of it being thrown away or damaged, you have a witnesses in any legal recourse, in case of a court date. (I doubt that outcome) Having police there to verify any problems and damages, let alone render everyone silent from mouthing off or threatening about money, will make it all proceed more-quickly and be done hassle-free. I would not arrive with just a friend in tow.

Bills: Never, ever, ever pay cash for bills.
Always, always, always have a front row seat while paying- whether or not your name is on the accounts. This is for the rest of your life.
You are there for bill-paying, no matter age, place, funding nor relationship.
Everytime you have pocket change, a few extra bucks, a portion of tax refunds, etc.- put it all in a savings account of your own. And keep it growing and yours alone. Life happens.
Hang in there.

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