If Hillary Clinton wins the American presidential race despite a huge status-quo protest vote, and she then spars with an obstructionist Republican congress for one term, what happens in four years??

IMHO t will be exponentially worse. I mean this in the sense our house has been on fire for 8 years and you have a chance to save it before it burns to the ground and electing Hillary would be like turning off the fire hydrant.

If you like the direction we’re going, if you like the current economy, if you like our international status, you will like Hilary. Obama has proven he can move the country with or without the support of congress. Hilary has vowed to do the same with more Executive orders. With a compliant court the executive branch will become the dominant force in America, making, changing, and massaging the laws as the President sees fit. We’re at a crossroads and the ‘Checks and Balances’ written into the constitution are at stake. Vote wisely.

As both GW and Obama have demonstrated, it’s no easy matter denying a sitting President a second term. McConnel’s war of obstruction failed him miserably when after 4 years of blocking any semblance of constructive legislation, the “creature” was reelected. And here it is worthy to note that Romney was about as close to a middle of the road Republican as the party is ever gonna field. For the Republicans these days, the factional divisions within the party itself render the bunch unable to field a winning candidate.

As @stanleybmanley pointed out the Republican Party is in disarray. Even if Trump wins in the primaries, I have a feeling he won’t make it out of the convention. Then he’ll third party, fracturing the Republicans’ vote even more.

If that happens, let’s hope that Berne (or someone like him) is still around because people will be thoroughly fed up with “politics as usual”

Or at least I hope they would.

Maybe people will finally get tired of an obstructionist congress and replace them.

I am going to guess nothing much but I would qualify that by stating it depends on the citizens of the US. If they continue to elect a democratic pres and a republican congress then I am correct. If they realize the error of their ways and send more democrats to congress then progress is achieved and the country moves forward.
So, What do the people of the US want? More impasse or more movement? I am guessing impasse.

I think the Republicans will probably not be able to hold the House this election. Your question is really about the current Congress – which hopefully will not exist after the Democratic candidate takes office.

People need to get out and vote in the house and Senate races. Things are so stacked with redrawn district boundaries I wonder if anything can really be done.

Personally, I kinda like some gridlock. Not at this scale but I really don’t like the idea of a President Trump or Sanders walking in and doing whatever the fuck he wants. Some reasonable opposition is good thing.

Getting shit done isn’t a good reason to vote for a person if you think they will get the wrong shit done.

I’m thinking that if Hillary gets the Democratic nomination, we’ll have an interesting time before the election. And by “interesting” I mean that the DNC’s conduct has been such that Hilary may wind up at the center of another scandal.

@Jaxk Another rare moment of agreement between us.

@Yetanotheruser @stanleybmanly I’m not so sure that he Democrats are exactly feeling the solidarity either though. With high-ranking DNC people defecting and super-delegates wiping their ass with the results of the popular vote, it’s remotely possible that we’ll have a four-way election between Trump, Sanders, and whoever the RNC and DNC put up, even if just as write-ins.

@johnpowell Sanders has a record of getting the right shit done. Those who disagree tend to vote Republican anyways. There are reasons he’s been re-elected so many times, so don’t take the fact that most outside of the Northeast never heard of him until recently to mean that he is a loose cannon; Vermonters wouldn’t keep sending him back if he were, and they definitely wouldn’t trust him with higher and higher office.
Now Trump would do whatever the hell he wants, but the same applies to the rest of the GOP field anyways.

Nothing special happens. Whoever runs will be evaluated for the direction they want to see the country go in. By then congress could be full of Democrats.

The Democrats have a good shot at taking the Senate and Clinton would be able to appoint at least one justice in the Supreme Court. That would change the complexion of things. I am hoping that at least some of the new Democratic senators are part of the Elizabeth Warren wing of the Senate. It would be nice to have Russ Feingold rewin his Senate seat. Maybe Clinton’s biggest problem would be the progressives in her own party.

@johnpowell “Getting shit done isn’t a good reason to vote for a person if you think they will get the wrong shit done.”

Well, no. But why would you vote for someone if you think they’d get the wrong shit done?

I’ve never understood this American thing of wanting to have a government that can’t govern. It’s a weird way to go about democracy.

@dappled_leaves …this American thing of wanting to have a government that can’t govern…
Don’t feel alone. Your sentiments reflect those of many of us here to your south. It’s a recent thing (and IMHO a sad thing) that some members of Congress value ideology over the good of the country, and have been actively conspiring to sabotage the Obama administration. This started on Inauguration day 2009, with a meeting of Republican leaders and business leaders, planning to make Obama a one-term president. The continuous stalling and obstructionist tactics of the congressional republicans continued, despite the negative effect on the economic recovery. The “opposition” was willing to become the “Party of No” in order to achieve their goal. It is evident even now, as the Republican Leadership has stated unequivocally, that they will not even consider any nomination by this president to replace Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, who recently passed away.

She gets reelected, of course. Because the repub party will still be wandering in the wilderness trying to convince themselves that white males are destined to rule the world forever.