Why is the liberal media no longer projecting the GOP Winner?
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March 8th, 2016
They just announced only the second place winner and 3rd. and 4th and why not the actually winner?
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I didn’t realized that the liberal media had coalesced into a single outlet.
I hope they chose a better moniker than “HareNews”. ~
Breitbart lead:
Michigan: Trump 38%, Kasich 28%, Cruz 21%, Rubio 9%
Sanders 50%, Clinton 48%
Trump Wins Mississippi…
Later: ID, HI
Huffington Post lead:
TRUMP TAKES MISS.
150 GOP DELEGATES AT STAKE
Those were the top stories for those two news outlets shortly after this question posted.
@ibstubro You are messing with my narrative…stop it! ;) BTW Breitbart is not a liberal media outlet. To be specific I am watching MSNBC and I hve yet to hear Trumps name announced as a winner…the best thing they can utter without gaggin is “Trump thing”
@SavoirFaire still watching and even more amazed the MSNBC Cameras are not capable of showing the crowds nor panning down to show his water bottles, his steaks and magazine that Romney accused him of being failing ventures. Pathetic editorialization from a media outlet that is obviously desperate and in the pocket of Hillary. MSNBC is only announcing Trumps victory in MS because the are so desperate for Trump style ratings. He was still a gentleman by thanking and acknowledging Megan Kelly! Liberal heads exploding as I type.
@Cruiser The MSNBC coverage is being handled by Brian Williams and Rachel Maddow. If you went there expecting right-leaning coverage, you have only yourself to blame. But the live online-only video has shown the crowd he’s speaking to. I didn’t notice the other things you mentioned, but I’m not exactly clear on what the journalistic value of his water bottle would be in any case.
@SavoirFaire that was a while ago…I am watching Trumps after the fact speech now. Bombastic as expected. If you are not aware of Romney’s recent attack on Trump over water and steaks then you and I will have a difficult time having a conversation relevant to current events surrounding the highly charged attacks on Trump that I am having the most trouble with. I am not expecting ads or attacks to be fair but when specific media outlets control the message they way CNN and MSNBC are trying…but what is more fascinating to me is they are all failing miserably. Talk about bombs blowing up in their face and honestly I do no know what to make of this either as no one has seen anything even close to this ever before except those so weak in the knees to dare draw a comparison between Trump and Hitler. Also…please do not confuse my disdain for media bias for support for Trump….far from it. #seriously?
@Cruiser I am aware of Romney’s comments. I just don’t think panning down to show Trump’s water bottles is of any real journalistic interest. What exactly do you think a shot of it would prove that’s worth proving?
And I’m not construing your disdain for MSNBC as support for Trump. I’m just saying that expecting Rachel Maddow not to lean left is unrealistic. You might as well complain about the sun rising in the east.
The steaks water bottles and champagne are all stacked on a table to the right of the podium ready to be mocked, and I saw it all on MSNBC, where the man and his tasteless merch were suitably ridiculed simultaneously.
@stanleybmanly You saw it, I saw it in the set up shots but when it mattered and Trump asked for a shot of these items….miraculously the cameras lost their ability to pan to the right. Pathetic at best….I would have loved to have been a camera man with a headset on to be able to listen to the hysteria from the director and producer. #lame
Well the network probably has some aversion to a pompous nitwit pimping his wares scott free on their time.
@stanleybmanly lol…of course I would disagree as this network has an obvious aversion to GOP narratives that contradicts the narratives of the board of directors of the network. More than amusing to see so many people work so hard and fail on such an epic scale. Heads are exploding and what are left on the left are rolling. #panicontheleft #grabbingforstraws #DNCTitanic
What is the liberal media?
They report. You decide.
@Cruiser There’s no panic on the left, as the lunatics seize control of the Republican asylum. Romney’s little plea shows us where the terror lies. Your boy is going to push Hillary’s jolly behind straight into the White House, and anyone with a 3rd grade education can see it coming.
@stanleybmanly As hard as it is for me to take your cash, would you be willing to wager a bet of $1000 dollars to your $1000 dollars in a head to head race of Trump against Hillary no matter what happens between now and Nov 3? We can wager this bet on lies against lies and easily offer 50/50 odds and if you win you can pick the 501C3 beneficiary of your choice to donate your winnings to and if I win and on the very slim chance we think alike on the most base level…I will give the $1,000.00 to the Mods here at Fluther to invest in making this place a little less hinkey You may be able to make a good case out of this wager based on the value of an education provided by the public school system. #putyourmoneywhereyourmouthis.
They really are creating Archam Asylum, aren’t they?
@Cruiser
Valiant effort to match the inanity of the GOP debates with this thread. Unfortunately it falls just a little short of the mark.
I didn’t watch it last night, but it doesn’t surprise me that a show with Maddow is trying to avoid giving Trump, and other Republicans, air time. I don’t think that’s true of every show on MSNBC. I’m a liberal and I can’t stand watching Maddow. She is so biased it’s annoying to me.
Today on The Today Show, they’re interviewing Trump on the phone and they’re showing the steak, the water and the champagne. Matt Lauer said “you’re making me hungry!”
Perhaps, just imagine, that some people are getting really tired of the Dog & Pony show. If Trump isn’t paying to advertise his commercial brand consumer products why should they be shown. On other tv shows, labels and logos are covered or pixels.
@Cruiser No I won’t take your money or give you a shot at mine. And before you yell “chicken”, I’ll tell you that my reason is logical. It’s simply that should you win that bet, you and I are either going to need every dime we can find, or the money will be worthless and there’s no point. I have a friend who keeps telling me to buy up all the gold I can possibly manage and wait for Trump to be announced nominee. But I will tell you this: Trump is the man Hillary and every democrat prays for to emerge as the GOP candidate. There is no fear on the left of the Donald. And I repeat that the sight of Romney’s appeal to reason aimed at a constituency incapable of spelling it, let alone defining it, shows you just where the fear lies. In truth it’s a marvelous if harrowing thing to live through. Just think of it: the party renowned for underhanded dirty tricks compelled to watch helpless as the creature of its own creation “sweeps through our land” immune to derision and even truth itself.
Did it ever occur to you that a pile of raw meat alongside bottles of industrial strength champagne might be inappropriate on a campaign dais? Or does the Trump logo stamped on each item elevate the collection beyond the category of a tawdry attempt at free advertising?
The blowhards at MSNBC think they are smarter than you.
And they’re right most of the time.
For the same reason they no longer consider it news that the sky is blue and the Earth is round. And just in case you missed it, Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.
What gets me is that the so-called “Liberal media” has a near-blackout on Sanders. They aren’t covering things like his rallies drawing bigger crowds than Hillary’s, they are assuming that 120% of super-delegates will vote for her regardless of the popular vote, and they kind of hush up things like the DNC kicking Bernie supporters out of rallies.
What I don’t get is this; if the media were nearly as liberal as many Conservatives claim, then why the fuck are they stumping for the best Republican in the race and trying to make it look like she has no competition?
^ Perhaps the media isn’t as liberal as some conservatives claim.
But rather, when it comes to conservatives the media far, far more often gets things wrong.
As a conservative (Libertarian) I see the media constantly getting all manner of facts about me wrong. Who is a better authority on who I am? Me, or the media?
Perhaps it’s just an honest mistake.
@SecondHandStoke As a non-Conservative, I see them getting just as much wrong…. unless we are talking about blatantly Conservative media like Fox who rarely get anything right. Then again, we are talking a demographic whose idea of “liberal” is anything they don’t agree with.
@stanleybmanly I have made it clear I am not a Trump supporter and will not vote for him if his wins the nomination nor will I vote for Hill or Bern either as I consider another 8 years of Obama to be the death knell of our economy what little is left.
The minute I saw Donald come down the escalator at Trump Towers I knew he would blow peoples minds on many levels. For the next 6 months till even today he is still blowing peoples minds as no one ever expected him to get this far. He has been masterful at sucking out the oxygen of every days new cycle and reduced the weak as shit opponents the RNC put on the campaign trail into the ground. Plus the brain-trust of the main stream news media got it all so totally wrong that they resort to trying to ignore Trumps successes so they don’t have to again admit how wrong they got it AGAIN!
Only it backfires time and time again and he only gets stronger and more popular. Truly amazing to watch.
Once again Trump intentionally says something so utterly preposterous like “all of Islam hates America”....collective gasp long pause….and he doubles down and repeats it all because he know he will dominate the news cycle for the next week FOR FREE! Absolutely insane and crazy fun to watch….especially hearing the pop…pop…pop of heads exploding at the RNC and in Cruiz’s and Rubio’s campaign office.
A bigger mistake many are still making which is utterly amazing to me is how people confuse Trump running as a Republic with him being conservative…and I know you are smart enough to have noticed he is way left of center and the ones getting conned the most are the conservative Republicans. If he wins the nomination it will go down as the biggest hood-wink of the modern political age.
@Cruiser I thought Trump was off the charts and merely went Republican because his brand of crazy didn’t sell well among Democrats. Judging by the poll numbers, his rebranding is a big hit among conservative voters, and why stop selling when so many people are buying? Trump’s simplified tax plan and stance on immigration seem far more like something you’d get from a conservative than a liberal, so I suppose it’s a rather easy mistake to make.
The thing that utterly amazes me that anyone is surprised by the clusterfuck that we call “The 2016 Republican primaries”. There were many signs years ago that this was coming, but all the signs went ignored. When Trump threw his bad hairpiece into the ring, I had a bad feeling that he would have more staying power in our current “bread and circuses” political environment than those living in denial of how our society has changed in the last few decades would believe even possible. Sometimes, I hate being right.
One funny observation thoughy;
“Plus the brain-trust of the main stream news media got it all so totally wrong that they resort to trying to ignore Trumps successes so they don’t have to again admit how wrong they got it AGAIN! Only it backfires time and time again and he only gets stronger and more popular.
The same could be said of Sanders in some ways as many media outlets and the DNC are trying to deny that Clinton even has an opponent for the Democratic nomination. Having similar things happening on both sides of the aisle in the same election makes it interesting, at least to those to whom “interesting” has dark, sinister overtones/connotations.
@jerv You need to take your blinders off sir…20% of Dems would defect for Trump
I see the Dems making a fatal mistake in failing to acknowledge Trumps appeal that transcends their liberal tax and stick if to the rich message they are promoting thinking it will solve our nations problems and the HUGE number of both Dems and Independents that are flocking towards Trumps message. The proof is out there especially when even state leaders like Democratic Governors like Jim Webb: I won’t vote for Clinton, but I may for Trump and Sanders own Governor will instead vote for Trump.
“I don’t know who I’m going to vote for” – clearly a ringing endorsement of Trump.
@Darth_Algar My point was to highlight the stinging anti-endorsement of Hillary. Quite unusual in light of her highly anticipated anointment as Dem Presidential candidate
@Cruiser You also conveniently omit the fact that 14% of Republicans would defect for Hillary, and continue to drink the Kool-aid by denying Sanders is even a factor. True, 20 > 14, but I’ve seen too many unlikely things in my life to be as dismissive as you are by calling it this early. Either cut that out or tell me who will win in 2020 and 2024 and stake your life savings on it.
As for Shumlin (nice guy btw), I got you the first time and wasn’t swayed by the fact that a citizen who just happens to hold office has an opinion, so what makes you think that argument would be more effective this time around? Maybe you’re just more easily star-struck than I am, or maybe you forgot 2008 when Obama started out behind Clinton in all ways including endorsements and wound up in the White House.
Then again, doubling down on what doesn’t work does seem to be a common thing amongst conservatives so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.
On further reflection, I think part of it may be I see Hillary’s chances of being indicted as non-zero. People are itching for some serious change, something both Trump™ and Sanders offer. That right there steers a lot of people away from “more of the same” which is what Clinton brings to the table. Not strongly enough to stop them from voting for her if they feel her opposition is too far out there, which is why you won’t see Vermin Supreme doing well in the polls, but enough that Sanders will be a factor right until the race ends.
Then again, I’m not 100% convinced that Hillary’s 2008 defeat was a once-in-a-lifetime fluke. The Red Sox won the World Series in 2007 and 2013, so 2004 wasn’t a fluke even if the last time it happened was 1918. Like I’ve said before, I’ve seen stranger things happen, so I cannot be so sure of the Democratic race as I am of the GOP race.
Back on topic, the gap between Cruz and Trump™ is considerably larger than the gap between Sanders and Clinton, so it would take a much larger swing for the final standings to be anything other than a Trump™ nomination. Bumper-to-bumper racing is harder to predict than when the 2nd place guy is two laps down mid-race.
The general populace already knows enough about Cruz to have an opinion of him, so I feel he has about as much support as he’s likely to get this election. While I personally would never vote for him, I do see him as a viable candidate for those conservatives who aren’t fed up enough with the status quo to board the Trump™ Train. Honestly, I find that rather disappointing seeing how Cruz used to be the poster boy for “far right ideology” but is now seen as the more mainstream alternative, but I digress. If the polls are any indication, enough conservatives feel Trump™ would be a better Republican nominee than Cruz to make the GOP race easy to call even this far out. Republicans weren’t conservative enough, so the Tea Party came out. Now the Tea Party isn’t enough, so they are going Trump, and by a wide margin. A margin wide enough to make the contest less about who will win and more about the point spread.
@jerv I know you well enough that even you know numbers at this crossroads in the the primaries is nothing more than media hype and to hang your or my hat on numbers at this stage of the game is near meaningless especially in the wake of the dismal performance of the poll stats as of late.
I have not lost sight as to how he (Trump) is commanding the news cycle and aside from the few Hillary, Cruize, Sanders town hall snippets….Trump has hijacked dominated the daily news cycle with his shenanigans and is literally stealing this election by outsmarting the best of the best in the political election process. He is making them all look like amateurs and laughing all the way to the White House. I have never seen anything even close to what Donald is pulling off.
I’ll simplify my above answer:
Of course I’m going to be frustrated and worried if people like me are misrepresented.
Unintentionally or otherwise.
@Cruiser Mostly yes, but the GOP race has been consistent enough that it’s easier to see enough of a pattern to make a more confident prediction.
You don’t host a show like The Apprentice without being a bit of a media whore. And since media matters a lot more nowadays than it did back when there was no internet and only three TV networks, it stands to reason that someone who can play the mass media of today will do better than one who campaigns like it’s still 1986. I’m thinking that you’ll see more of that in the future since that strategy has been so successful so far.
It does kind of beg the question about celebrity status being more electable than merit and what that says about society, but I know you well enough to know you understand the “bread and circuses” that normally accompanies an empire drifting from decadence to decline well enough that I don’t need to spell it out to you.
@jerv Your answer says more about your own bias towards the current trajectory of Trumps campaign than the reality of why he is popular. It is obvious you cannot stand the man and you are projecting your disdain upon him and anything you can other than the truth of why people other than you support Trump and the real reasons they do. You and I both despise the man but you and I part ways because I understand the reasons Trump is leading in the republican race. Calling him a phony a fake a liar is only a smoke screen in an attempt to cover the last 7.5 years of utter crap that Democratic policies and failed leadership have been inflicted upon our country that many Republican, Independent and even Democratic voters have noticed and why Trump is leading the race.
Trump is leading the race because we have a populace that would rather be entertained than informed. That a man who goes out of his way to be crass, rude and obnoxious, who uses the debates to boast about his penis, who brags that he’d fuck his daughter if she wasn’t his daughter, who maligns religious, and ethnic groups wholesale, and who projects the mentality of a schoolyard bully, says nothing about the current president’s tenure (no matter how much you desperately wish it did), but speaks volumes about the mentality of the “average” American.
and it didn’t take long for the rest of the candidates to try his tactic. Lowering yourself and debasing yourself seems to be the hallmarks of today’s American Politics. Also, did you see Hillary trying to pretend politicking was hard for her and that she wasn’t a ‘natural politician’. It was so disingenuous, I thought she was going to burst out laughing herself.
@Cruiser I believe Trump is popular for the same reason that Sanders is popular, only he gets his support from a different demographic. I believe that there are people on both sides of the aisle that are unsatisfied by “traditional” candidates. Where we part ways is that you are both more conservative and further from the center than I am.
I understand why Trump is leading; there are a few reasons actually. Some conservatives feel that Cruz is too much of a Centrist. Some swing voters who are inclined to vote for any “outsider” are swayed by his ability to play the media game better than Sanders. Some are just hopping on the Trump bandwagon because they like picking winners. (I’m disappointed how so many people think elections are like wagers and don’t quite grasp the real connection between their vote and the results, but there is no denying that there are people like that.) Some honestly believe that Trump truly is the best person for the job. Some are more cynical than I am even on my worst day and support him out of a sense of nihilism. Some support him for reasons I haven’t listed here.
I also understand how logical progressions work. Watching the GOP over the last decade or so make candidates like Trump seem inevitable. If you wish to refute that and deny that a notable percentage of conservatives have moved to the right of the tradition Republican party in the last decade, then you are denying that the Tea Party movement ever happened and that Colin Powell, Ted Cruz, and Donald Trump are in three different places on the political spectrum. Trump is merely the next step in the progression, a continuation of the trajectory. If it wasn’t Trump 2016, it would’ve been someone very similar no later than 2024, though likely a “true believer” rather than someone merely playing the crowd to get votes.
So there is no one single reason why Trump is leading, but there are enough “little” reasons to add up to Trump leading the GOP primary polls. The closest to a “unified theory of Trump success” is that a slick talker can get enough people to turn off their brains and vote for an Oompa Loompa with a bad combover, and there is no denying that Trump has that “used car salesman” factor going for him along with more media acumen than anyone in the GOP race.
As an aside, a statement like, ”...the last 7.5 years of utter crap that Democratic policies and failed leadership have been inflicted upon our country…”, is so totally and unambiguously biased that I cannot help but chuckle at your accusations of me projecting since your answer says more about your own bias than anything else. Thank you for that little bit of amusement.
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