Could , or should, native born children have to pass a citizenship test to be considered a full member of society?

No. Absolutely not. We have good, firm law on this with numerous legal precedent going back before the Revolution. This issue is another scam sideshow, a hotbutton, like flag burning and fear of the repeal of the Second Amendment. It’s a bullshit issue to rile up the unwashed masses, an invented problem that some fucking presidential candidate promises to solve when they get into the Oval Office. Don’t get sucked into this aspect of the immigration issue.

@Espiritus_Corvus Thanks, But you killed my conversation.

You risk seriously depopulating the country. What’s the legal status of the tens of millions unable to pass such a test?

@stanleybmanly The legal status is of being a non adult. A child.

@RedDeerGuy1 “The legal status is of being a non adult. A child.”

Which then leaves millions of shitbags free to do shitbag things without adult consequences.

@Darth_Algar Actually it would be the opposite. The shit bags would be supervised constantly. They would have rescrictions on them. Wouldn’t you like to be free to be a shitbag? Or to be free from shitbags?

@RedDeerGuy1 Ooops. Sorry.

No, I rather like being an upstanding adult who takes responsibility for himself.

Oh, and lots of non-adults do shitty things, but since they’re not adults don’t face full consequences of their actions. Now imagine having millions of actual adults who don’t have to face adult consequences simply because they failed to pass some convoluted “adulthood” test.

@Darth_Algar Should we get rid of or rescrict the uses of ncr ( not criminally responsible ) defence?

Oh sure, why not?
It is a great way of ensuring that only good, obedient, patriotic, soldier worshipping, corporate slaves get any rights.

@ragingloli Thanks. I never saw it like that.

There are other ramifications as well. The chances of being saddled with responsibility for your children your entire life appreciate considerably.

And there will be parents who are legally children, while their children are legally adults.

@RedDeerGuy1 “Should we get rid of or rescrict the uses of ncr ( not criminally responsible ) defence?”

Are you referring to how children (generally speaking) aren’t tried as adults? No, I do not think we should do away for that for children who actually are children.

Thanks all. I’m mostly lurking on this question for now.

Two separate issues.
Citizenship is legally defined.
Being accepted by society is determined by fluid social convention.
Take your pick.

No. But they should have to pass an IQ test and a test on current events to vote.

^ IQ test to vote?

Intelligence isn’t a good measure.

My hyperintelligent wife has lots of brilliant friends.

For example, one couple that my wife is close to are multiple published authors and professors at NYC’s PACE Academy. One has a PhD.

They can be so incredibly insightful and logical. Then the subject of politics comes up, and to me, one especially sounds like an idiot.

Dinner parties with them and their ilk: I eat an obligatory amount then take my glass of wine to their driveway and call my dad for a dose of down to earth sanity.

I believe every child should at least have some background in civics included in their primary education. Something like American History, Geography, Government, so they know something about the country they live in, how the government works, and their responsibilities as citizens. It’s probably already taught in schools, but there seems to be a general lack of knowledge sometimes making me think it’s not emphasized or perhaps not a required course.

No test, but I have says before I’m in favor of reevaluating our jus soli policy in the US. I think a parent should have to be legal in the US (they do not have to be a citizen) for a child to be given automatic citizenship for being born here.

No. But they should not pass in public school K-12 if they do not learn more than what naturalized citizens have to learn.