@Pandora I believe the individual or group gets to decide if something is offensive. Once the make it known that they are offended by it, and it becomes politically incorrect to say it, then I think people should say or not say what is politically correct. It’s not perfectly black and white though. My black friends prefer the term black to African-American. How do I know? I asked. I use what they prefer when with them, if it comes up for some reason, but then I’m sure some black people don’t like it. Many Native Americans are fine with the term Indian. I tend to use the former, but I’m just making a point. What about the people who want to keep the name Redskins for the DC team they aren’t racist, the are just resistant to change I think. They love their football team. Their intension is not hateful or generalizing or stereotyping. I’d say the intention usually doesn’t master though, what matters is how does the group feel about it.
Can Trump be mean, unthinking, purposely provocative, and lack class? Absolutely. I personally don’t think if he met my husband today that he would think he is a thief or rapist based on what country he was born and raised n. By the the Latino is not considered a race by most people. I use the term racism broadly, for ease, I include religions too, but you actually stated it’s a race. Is that how you see it? To me that’s like saying Americans are a race.
When I say PC gone too far stifles discussion, it has gotten to the point that a lot of people don’t want to look at group behavior or talk about it. But, we still do though scientifically we do, to make business decisions and political decisions and predictions. Look at would be wrong, they don’t want it even thought about or discussed. I’d agree that we need to exercise when it is appropriate to discuss it, but wanting to be void of looking at group behavior isn’t going to happen.
When I was first engaged I was talking to someone fairly randomly and when they found out my fiancĂ© was Mexican, they told me a story of a relative who married aca Mexican, who wound up practically in a body cast shortly after they married. A day later I was talking to someone about my fiancĂ©, that his family was from Israel, and they told me a story about how hot tempered the Israelis are. Lol. One day after another. Of course my husband has never hit me, but I will say that I would generalize that countries with a macho culture do do some sucky things to their women. Not all men are macho or horrible, but there are general cultural differences. Of course, we can find European-white-American men that act like macho idiots too, but culturally it’s less acceptable.
The following is a story that you can bother to read or ignore, it’s a little long.
My inlaws live in a beautiful gated community. The community posts every month what side of the street to park on if you need to park in the street. It’s usually guests who need to. They get all pissed off when the citizen patrol asks them to move their car to the other side. They got annoyed when a neighbor came out and told my nephew to move his car, because he parked in front of a mailbox. My FIL moved my car the other day out if the driveway, because he needed to get out of the garage, and he moved my car to the wrong side of the street and in front of a fire hydrant! These Mexicans are looking pretty bad. I don’t see the Jews in the community doing any of this. I’m dead serious, the place is probably over 80% Jewish.
At first I thought maybe my inlaws just hadn’t read the signs about the parking, because they don’t read English, but no, even when I told them they are still feeling like they are being picked on by the citizen patrol. Then my MIL says the people on the corner (also Hispanic) have tons of cars all the time and no one says anything to them. Oy. I told her I don’t know why she thinks the patrol doesn’t say something to them. I also thought, maybe those cars are on the correct side of the street. I also thought, the two Hispanic families on the street have a lot of cars visiting a lot of the time. My MIL obviously doesn’t give a shit about the rules, and that stands out here, and I wouldn’t be surprised if people are stereotyping them. It’s difficult for me not to.
So, I don’t mean I think all Mexicans behave this way, that they are born this way, or anything of the sort. I do think maybe there is a reason they don’t worry much about the rules though, or think they are being picked on. No one is picking on them because they are Hispanic, they are being addressed regarding this issue, because they are being ignorant and obstenant. Can we even give them the excuse of ignorance? I don’t think so. Even when they now know the rules they still complain and break them. That’s not how they see it though. If I parked in front of a fire hydrant or a neighbors mailbox or the wrong side if the street, I would never hear the end of it from my mother.
My point with that story is to show that the neighbors are not picking on my inlaws for being Hispanic. That’s not the intention. My inlaws are very different in this situation than my own family would be. It’s impossible for me to not see the difference. I don’t know if it’s cultural, just a family thing, education level, I don’t know. I don’t have enough experience or statistics to actually make assumptions or stereotype a whole group regarding it so I don’t, but we are the Mexican family on the block (the only Mexicans probably in here out of 600 houses) and “we” blatantly inconvenience others by not following the rules. I feel they are being extremely self centered, but I stifle. Now, I always park my car on the street so I don’t risk my inlaws moving it.
So, when a neighbor says the Mexicans on their street, or the Hispanics, if maybe that other house is actually parking incorrectly (I’m not sure) don’t follow the parking rules, the statement is just fact. It doesn’t necessarily mean the people are all generalizing it to the greater Hispanic population. I have no idea if they do think or say it, I’m just making a point and admitting I think about it that way for this very specific situation. I realize we should not even think in terms of the people who break the rules are from X group, but that’s how the human brain generally works. We group things to deal with things.