What should Europe do about the massive influx of immigration of refugees?

My fellow citizens should realize that it’s ridiculous to complain about having to temporarily give up our gyms for people who have had to give up their homes.

@longgone what happens after the gym?

Build factories and compete with China for manufacturing jobs.

@Rarebear Sorry, my first answer was not exactly helpful.

After the gym, best case scenario, there will be language programs. (This includes getting kids into schools/daycares as early as possible.) Once the initial language barrier is gone, job training can start. In many cases, there’s a ridiculous mountain of paperwork to deal with so existing skills are recognized. This process needs to be streamlined.

Worst case scenario, it’s another gym, and then some tiny apartment shared with six other adults.

We are happy about every baby born as a German citizen. We expect this child to spend about six years learning our language before it will even begin its education. We are fully prepared to care for any child at the very least ten more years, before expecting it to earn money. If we applied similar rules to immigrants, we’d be celebrating.

It seems that assigned sanctuaries in each European state may be the only way to tackle this.

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@longgone So in short, assimilation? I agree in that assimilation and acceptance is the best way. I worry for Europe though that the influx is so overwhelming that it wouldn’t be possible.

@NerdyKeith “Assigned sanctuaries” is another word for “camps” or “reservation”. The problem is economics.

They should fix the immigrants home country. So the immigrants can return.

@RedDeerGuy1 Who are “they” and how do they “fix” Syria?

The worlds millitary should be deployed in a massive wave to get rid of the terrorists and then a brigade of engineers should rebuild the country. Then the refugees would want to come home.

@RedDeerGuy1 Okay, so there are a million or so refugees in Europe. What if they don’t want to go home?

That’s a later problem. First things first. One problem at a time. First focus on making their homes secure and rebuilt . When the country is livable, get back to me.

@Rarebear I agree that the sanctuaries or camps are not ideal living situations. But until the economy is equipped to aid them sufficiently, I would suggest a higher standard sanctuary.

I just don’t see an easy fix to this issue at all. One thing is for sure though, I would not recommend flat out refusing to help these people.

It’s such a difficult situation when large groups of people immigrate at once.

I hope they are interviewing the immigrants to see if any of them have skills that could be utilized at once. I’m sure parts of Europe have deficiencies in workforce. I would think many of the immigrants already speak English. A lot of Europe speaks English.

The countries should help for a specified time, but eventually the people need to become productive. It becomes too much of a burden on the citizenry to support masses of people. Moreover, I’m sure the immigrants want to work and feel productive and independent. Their language skills in their new country don’t have to be great right away if they can do some business in their home language. Go to Miami, there are pockets where the primary language spoken is Spanish. Many businesses you can quickly learn the vocabulary of that specific business.

Planning on them returning to their country is an unrealistic plan. I don’t think it happens very often. Maybe I’m wrong. It would be nice if they can. For them and for Europe.

@JLeslie What if they don’t have any skills that can be utilized? And what happens if they don’t become productive? Do they get shipped back to Syria, or do they become part of the welfare state?

@Rarebear I don’t see how people get shipped back. Does that happen typically? I don’t know enough about refugee situations around the world. Once a country is stable again I guess it would be fine to send them back if it’s within a short amount of time. Let’s say under 5 years. I would think a lot of refugees would want to go home. Once children are going to school in the new country then it gets much harder to move back I think. Children assimilating is something that really roots people to a new country in my opinion.

Here in America, people stay, as you know. Once they are here they don’t usually leave. We usually have the ability to absorb more than other countries, because we are so large, but even in America it can be a strain.

I am still curious if my previous suggestion could work – “build factories and compete with China for manufacturing jobs.”

The only recent case I can think of is in fact the tens of millions of Chinese people moving to the cities for factory jobs.

An older analogy would be the huge number of immigrants working in American factories from the 1880s until World War I.

Maybe it would have to be in a less developed country. Could a visionary leader in a place like Albania or the -stans create a new manufacturing economy like China?

@Call_Me_Jay I’m not sure. They’d have to pay European labor prices which are far higher than Chinese prices

@JLeslie Yes. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-greece-returns-idUSKCN0X107Q

@Rarebear I thought of the return deal, too. Where people are being sent to Turkey (not all the way home).

But that is a few hundred people. A pinprick.

@Call_Me_Jay Oh, clearly. I agree.

@Rarebear Europe can sue Syria for housing and educating refugees.

@RedDeerGuy1 And you think they would pay?

@Rarebear We can re-posses Syria’s assets until they do.

Which refugees? Probably half the population of Africa and untold millions in the Middle East yearn for a shot at Western living. Meanwhile as life grows ever more untenable in Central America, the United States looms as hoped for salvation for desperate populations in the crumbling nations of Honduras, Guatemala, Bolivia, etc. As for the Syrians, it appears that what amounts to the majority of that nation’s population are in the process of transplanting themselves to Europe. There is no solution short of a guarantee that the future in Europe is more horrible than the miseries propelling them West and North. On cue, reactionary movements rise precipitously throughout Europe as societal strains elevate. The door is bound to slam at some point and harsh measures await both those in transit as well as those struggling refugees undergoing placement and European assimilation. What should be done? The reasons driving the the mass migrations should be eliminated. Unfortunately, as with so many of the world’s problems, cracking down on the victims appears the more plausible choice.
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It is really difficult to explain if you don’t live here. We take refugees all the time. Some of them are just teen age kids the end up living in dormitories with strangers in a similar situation. There are government agencies with social workers that are assigned to them to help them. Many have physical and psychological problems that make it hard for them. The families that come here are given temporary housing, but things are so stretched, that temporary now means sometimes 5 years, and some people are so pissed off that our economy has taken a bit of a dive due to the oil price, they are going around and burning down these homes because they blame the wrong people. Each country is meant to take a number of the current crisis refugees. My son has a classmate now from Syria. The parents are a professional couple who speak several languages and they have two kids. They got out early-ish. The ones with no where to go are in refugee camps. There are refugee camps in several areas of the world, and now there will be these new ones in Turkey, Greece etc, created by this new wave of utter destruction. Camps are meant to be temporary, too, but some are now experiencing their third generation.
Imagine that: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-palestinians-israel-refugees-idUSBRE8480S720120509
Yet no body talks about suing Israel for the displacement of those refugees.

@cazzie I understand why many Palestinians see Israel as their land and want a right of return, but I can’t help recognizing the UN basically created Israel, so the UN helping refugees makes sense. Three generations of refugees, if a large portion are poor and unable to contribute to the country they live in, then it begs the question why weren’t they assimilated? The Palestinians I know are educated, smart, productive people, so I’m not trying to generalize Palestinians around the world are unproductive, not at all. Why have the other Arab countries not come together and helped the Palestinians “get back their land?” You can’t just blame the Israelis, there is so much more to it.

Maybe the example in your article of the Palestinians demonstrates that Europe should integrate immigrants/refugees more readily.

In America a person can be American and still also hold onto their identity with their former country. In some parts of Europe I think that’s harder. Germans for hundreds of years have been German. Italians Italians. Is a Palestinian-German as German as a Palestinian-American is American? Do the immigrants take on the identity of the new country like they do in America? Or, at least does the first generation born there take on the identity of the new country?

I think country identity and feeling equal is extremely important.

I am curious what and how the whole thing is being funded. Are the citizens’ taxes being raised? Are the local municipalities responsible for the housing, medical, food, clothing needs of the refugees?

@Rarebear I’m not worried. Economically, I am entirely serious when I say that the immigrants will be an asset in the long term. I think it’s highly unlikely that immigrants are more likely to lack motivation and marketable skills than the average German citizen. Why would they?

Culturally, yes, Europe may change. Culture is not a constant, though, change is part of the deal. Also, if I get to choose between a Europe that’s culturally diverse and a Europe that’s built on hate and stereotypes, I’m choosing the former.

It’s just not Europe but the entire world including America and Russia should come together to resolve this issue. That is being too idealistic i know but why should only Europe take the blunt? Why can’t America pitch in to help them out? I don’t think they can wash off their hands so easily in this scenario.

I’m completely embarrassed what our current government is doing. The current immigration minister is an idiot. She was too stupid and unpopular to be a teacher, so she got into politics in the Progressive Party. This is what she did to try to ‘relate better’ to the plight of the Syrian refugees. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKacJoWkExE

yeah..that’s really embarrising.

@cazzie I agree. That’s embarrassing. ;