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NerdyKeith's avatar

Will the Fluther moderator and admin team be using the Fluther Twitter again anytime soon?

Asked by NerdyKeith (5489points) May 18th, 2016

Just wondering. Just as a point of feedback, it might be something to think about doing in order to allow the community to grow.

Even if one of the moderators where to pre-plan tweets with TweetDeck it may be of some help to the site.

Oh and if you do decide to start using Twitter again, I suggest maybe sharing the top ten best questions of the day gradually throughout the day.

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janbb's avatar

Good idea but top ten questions of the day? We’re lucky if we get ten questions in a day – let alone quality ones!

stanleybmanly's avatar

The bird is astute.

NerdyKeith's avatar

@janbb Maybe top 5 questions

SavoirFaire's avatar

Super secret behind the scenes information!

One of the things we’ve been working on is getting the various social media accounts back in the hands of people who actually manage the site. Ben and Andrew used to run these things by themselves, but they are too busy being successful these days.

There aren’t any definite plans about what to do with the Facebook and Twitter accounts once we have access to them, but we do have some ideas. I think it would be great if we could get the Question of the Day feature going again. And if we do, maybe it could be announced on Twitter (instead of just on Facebook).

stanleybmanly's avatar

@NerdyKeith despite your considerable effort in remedying our plight, 5 good questions a day here is still a rarity.

ibstubro's avatar

Naysayers, @NerdyKeith.

If there was more incentive there might be more questions, and better quality questions. Build traffic, and they will come.

NerdyKeith's avatar

@ibstubro If I can build a bigger audience on my YouTube channels I can get us more members. I’ve already been given permission to share Fluther on YouTube by a moderator. My plan is to do a question of the day and direct viewers to answer it in depth on Fluther. I used to do this way back when with Yahoo Answers. Until then I guess I could randomly share questions on my own Twitter from time to time.

Fluther has potential to become an even better Q&A site. Fluther deserves to be ahead of the search results before Yahoo Answers and Quora.

@SavoirFaire Great information. Is Fluther still owned by Twitter btw?

janbb's avatar

@NerdyKeith It was never owned by Twitter. The founders left to work for Twitter but Fluther was still independently owned and run by them.

Also, if you are planning to run a question of mine on YouTube, please ask me for permission first.

XOIIO's avatar

@SavoirFaire What are they up to these days anyhow?

NerdyKeith's avatar

@janbb I will always ask permission first. But I was planning on mostly using my own content.

Buttonstc's avatar

Believe it or not, there was a time in the past when Fluther was hopping. Questions and responses flying left and right and hard to keep up.

Then, Google changed their Search algorithm and it was like falling off a cliff.

I’m not exactly clear about the details in what it was changed to or from, but somehow we got classified as a “content farm”.

I’m not entirely too sure even what that specifically means but there was some discussion and questions about it a few years back and others know more about it than I.

You could search them and find out more about it if you think that something could be done.

XOIIO's avatar

@Buttonstc Really, content farm? Jeeze, how dumb re they?

Buttonstc's avatar

That’s what was being discussed.

And regardless of how dumb Google is being, it managed to almost sink Fluther.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

I had to look up “Content Farm.”

Content Farm (Wikipedia):
In the context of the World Wide Web, a content farm (or content mill) is a company that employs large numbers of freelance writers to generate large amounts of textual content which is specifically designed to satisfy algorithms for maximal retrieval by automated search engines. Their main goal is to generate advertising revenue through attracting reader page views, as first exposed in the context of social spam.

“Articles in content farms have been found to contain identical passages across several media sources, leading to questions about the sites placing search engine optimization goals over factual relevance. Proponents of the content farms claim that from a business perspective, traditional journalism is inefficient. Content farms often commission their writers’ work based on analysis of search engine queries that proponents represent as “true market demand”, a feature that traditional journalism lacks.

I find that rather insulting. We may be a lot of things, but “Content Farm” certainly isn’t one of them. But just in case, would somebody have Bendrew cut me a check? I’ve been here quite awhile and the boat could use some bottom work.

Buttonstc's avatar

When it was first mentioned I thought it was kind of weird and didn’t fully understand it.

Thanks for that explanation. And now I realize it’s even more ridiculous for Google to apply that to us.

But how does one convince Google of that ?

longgone's avatar

@Buttonstc Yep, that’s the question.

@XOIIO I don’t know what Andrew is doing. Ben is very busy with askjelly.com.

janbb's avatar

Last I heard, Andrew was married, in LA and acting.

Funny how much of a Fluther-clone askjelly.com seems to be. Might be more geared to mobile though.

XOIIO's avatar

Yeah, looks like it’s a twitter feed version of fluther. I don’t know why they would just abandon this but use the same theme/mascot sort of thing.

Buttonstc's avatar

Why wouldn’t they? Fluther is proof of concept so they know it will work.

Plus, Google can hardly label a Twitter feed as a “content farm” ha ha.

longgone's avatar

From what I can gather, Jelly is pretty much “General” questions, but “Social” rules – and yes, much more geared toward mobile. I don’t think it’s very similar to Fluther, except for the theme. It feels very different, faster and more anonymous. It’s less Q&A, more like a search engine that will give real answers. If Jelly is Starbucks, Fluther is the coffee shop around the corner. I like both.

Buttonstc's avatar

Wouldn’t it be great if Ben could find a way (or be permitted) to link the two together?

Maybe something like featuring a Question of the Day/week mutually from one site to the other.

I don’t really know if that would be possible or even desirable. I’m just kind of free-associating out loud.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

In searching for an understanding of how Google could make such a mistake as categorizing us as a “Content Farm.” I began with this: It’s called PageRank and it is a bot. With the hundreds of millions, possibly billions of sites Google has found necessary to classify in order to better serve their public with their search engine, we were classified as a Content Farm by a bot.

If we want to be reconsidered, we or Bendrew must appeal Google’s decision. Getting the attention of an actual Google human with decision-making capacity might take time, so we, as a community, have some thinking to do before we petition Google for reconsideration. This requires consensus. Consensus can be a difficult thing to arrive at on Fluther due to the nature of independence of thought in this community—the best reason in the world.

1. First thing is we must confirm that Google has actually classified us as a Content Farm from a valid Fluther authority.

2. What are the founder’s wishes? Maybe it is convenient for them that this site is low traffic right now as these are young men with families and careers. They may have just been generous all this time because they know the site is extremely important to many of the people who still populate it, but BenDrew rarely visits anymore, probably due to the business of life. They may not have the time to devote to a larger population. And they may not want the expense of an additional server or two, if it came to that. Or, they may wish that Fluther simply run it’s course and die a natural death. We must ask the founders if they wish us to appeal for a new classification.

3. Know this: once a Google human with this type of decision making capacity can actually be reached in order for us to petition for reclassification, we have no control over what our classification will be. Knowing humans as I do, they have probably been swamped with millions of appeals throughout the world since the last reclassification, many of which are fallacious. I can see where this is drudge work and not profitable to Google to give attention to.

4. I think the best way is to repeatedly petition Google with a document, an actual petition signed by as many Flutherites as are interested, describing what we believe Fluther to actually be. Reaching a consensus on the latter part of that sentence may be difficult. A question might be asked such as this, “How would you describe Fluther?” and data could be taken from the answers given.

5. The Petition: The first part should be a description taken from a consensus of what Fluther is to those people who took part in answering the above question and a section describing the demographics, traffic, active population which is found on sites that measure such things. The second part will be the signatures. The petition will reach Google in the form of a question in Fluther’s Meta section (I would prefer General because it would get more notice) such as: “Who would like to sign a petition asking Google to reclassify Fluther from a ‘Content Farm’ to something more appropriate?” The details would define “Content Farm,” the ramifications of being classified as a Content Farm, and the purpose of the petition. A link to the petition would then be sent out to every Google Admin contact address that can be found until there is a response. Repeatedly, if necessary.

6. Do we really want a sudden, large influx of people that will certainly change the nature and culture of this intimate community? Think about it. Think about both the benefits and the possible loss.

What we have here, for better or for worse, is a very unique, intimate community. We know each other. There may be some old animosities, as well as close friendships that have been forged. Just like any other community. It is small and there is very little real anonymity. We may not know each other’s physical addresses, but we know for the most part the likes and dislikes, their approximate age, sex, physical maladies, what meds are taken, political bent and concerns—just like any real small town. We are known for our low tolerance of LEET & flame, our civility, our silliness and our helpful, informative answers to each other when actually called upon. But we fear we are dying of natural attrition, assisted by a misclassification performed by a bot.

And we all know where to find more action, more conversation, higher rates of Q&A, and more frequent, deeper questions, less moderation, more argument, more sarcasm & snark, and more meanness. All that we find lacking at Fluther can be found elsewhere in profusion. Do we want to sacrifice some of our intimacy for a rapid increase in traffic? Many of us feel proprietary and protective of this site. This is natural and instinctive, even in the virtual world. A year after reconsideration, this site may be totally different than that which we know today. To many of us, it may seem like a foreign country with a new, superimposed culture all it’s own.

Or we could let things be.

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