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Goodbye to Muhammad Ali?

Asked by zenvelo (39545points) June 3rd, 2016

Can you remember when you first learned of Muhammad Ali? Was it when he was still Cassius Clay boxing in the Olympics? Or when he first won the heavyweight championship?

How about when he refused to be drafted? Or when he lit the Olympic Flame inAtlanta?

The Greatest has passed, may we mourn a man of peace that embodied the Olympic Spirit.

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filmfann's avatar

I am old enough to remember his whoopin’ Sonny Liston.
I always loved him. I remember seeing him light the Olympic torch in LA back in 1996. I cried like a baby. An icon. A genius.
The Greatest.

trolltoll's avatar

Legend: an extremely famous or notorious person, especially in a particular field. See: Ali, Muhammad.

I was talking about him with my dad today, after I read that he had been put on life support. I mentioned how it seemed like a lot of pro-boxers don’t make it to old age like Ali did because of traumatic head injuries. He told me that Muhammad Ali gave out way more head injuries than he ever sustained.

FireMadeFlesh's avatar

He was done with boxing before I was born, so his legend has always been there. Permanent, and tangible. The myth has outlived the man. Long may he be remembered.

Rarebear's avatar

I saw the Ali Frasier fights on a small black and white TV.

imrainmaker's avatar

He’s a legend and always will be. RIP Muhammad Ali.

stanleybmanly's avatar

I know it’s against the pc grain, but I will always prefer to remember him as Cassius Clay, because those were the days when he was forced to make some monumental decisions about defying not only convention, but the will and proscriptions of the Federal government. The man actually tossed his potential as the greatest boxer in the history of the world aside to stand up for his convictions. It’s a privilege just to have lived in the same era as he and witness such a thing!

ucme's avatar

My respects were paid in a far more valid place, worthy of hearing them
Also, not knowing that it’s Frazier…Really!?!

ragingloli's avatar

He has nothing on Regina Halmich.
Allahu Akbar.

ibstubro's avatar

First I heard…thanks for letting us know, @zenvelo.

Ali was always larger than life. The stuff of dreams

His quality of life has seemed so poor these last years that I have a hard time mourning his passing in any context other than the human race will never have another like him.
RIP

ragingloli's avatar

“my enemy is the white people, not the Vietcong”
“We who follow the teachings of Elijah Muhammad don’t want to be forced to integrate. Integration is wrong. We don’t want to live with the white man; that’s all.”
“No intelligent black man or black woman in his or her right black mind wants white boys and white girls coming to their homes to marry their black sons and daughters.”

stanleybmanly's avatar

I like to think that he evolved beyond that particular bit of “wisdom”, but it is certainly understandable how a bias against white folks might arise in African Americans trapped in America before the 60s.

Seek's avatar

This is a really bad year to be famous.

kritiper's avatar

A good fighter! Liked him a lot when his mouth was shut.

Pachy's avatar

I’m terribly sad about the passing of Muhammad Ali, yet I have to admit I’ve always had highly conflicted feelings about him.

In my youth, only a few years younger than he, I hugely admired his boxing skills and was fascinated with his bold public image, yet I was also repelled by his strutting egotism and silly theatrics. I envied his courage to be his own man, yet also critical, even fearful of his associations and political stances.

I looked up to him as a prizefighter, as did my father, a huge fan of boxing and admirer of iconoclasts like Ali, but at the same time I was coming to believe that behind its glamorous façade, boxing was less sport and more a pagan rite I wanted nothing to do with. Ali’s awful, debilitating illness, diagnosed as a direct result of years of head punches, convinced me of that once and for all.

Mixed feelings notwithstanding, I do mourn his passing, even more the cruelty of the disease that crippled and finally felled him. Ali deserved a better post-boxing life, and I have no doubt that as much as he managed to contribute to society despite incapacitation, there was much more he would have done in full health.

There was only one Muhammad Ali – there will never be another.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

Mohammed Ali was The Greatest, no doubt about it.

I first heard of him during the build-up to the Liston bout in the summer of ‘64 when he was still fighting under his birth-name, Cassius Clay. He had won the Light-Heavyweght gold medal in the 1960 Olympics at 18 years old. My dad couldn’t stand him. He said this Cassius Clay was a decent boxer, but an obnoxious kid who needed to be taught some humility. His “loudmouthed craziness” was bad for boxing and made America look silly. He was setting himself up for a major take-down. He hated him at first, but just about everybody did. He was a young braggart without real substance, a kid from Louisville reaching way beyond his station.

Most white boxing fans feelings about Clay followed the same evolution as sport’s announcer Howard Cosell, a former NYC union lawyer-turned-sportscaster. Cosell himself was described by colleagues and audiences as arrogant, obnoxious, pompous and vain, but a man of obvious talent and a gift for words. For Cosell, it remained to be seen if this arrogant, obnoxious, pompous and vain kid from St. Louis had any substance. Cosell doubted it and continuously let America know he doubted it.

Liston was a giant with “gloves the size of bowling balls,”. He had knocked out popular World Champion Floyd Patterson in two first-round knockouts for the title. Liston’s style was simple and brutal. He fought like a steamroller. He would just plant his feet, begin a long barrage of powerful knockout punches then slowly move into his opponents until they were annihilated. The general feeling before the fight was that now this little uppity bastard from Louisville would finally get his comeuppance.

Clay responded to this sentiment by taunting Liston during the pre-fight buildup, dubbing him “the big ugly bear”. “Liston even smells like a bear,” Clay said. “After I beat him I’m going to donate him to the zoo.” Clay’s superior speed and mobility enabled him to elude Liston, making the champion miss and look awkward. Liston couldn’t connect, Clay was too fast. At the beginning of the third round Clay hit Liston with a combination that buckled his knees and opened a cut under his left eye. It was the first time Liston had ever been cut. In the sixth, Clay dominated, hitting Liston repeatedly. The bear was going down. Liston did not answer the bell for the seventh round, and Clay was declared the winner by TKO. Upon announcement, Clay rushed into the ring and danced yelling into the microphones “I am the Greatest! I am the Greatest!” A shocked America was wondering if he was right, that maybe this kid was all he said he was. Even Cosell began to cautiously change his tune

Shortly after the Liston fight, Clay converted to Islam and changed his name to Mohammed Ali, once again contracting the ire of America and becoming the target of snarky sportscasters. Cosell was the first announcer to address him as such when nobody else took Ali seriously. Cosell protested loudly on the grounds of religious freedom when the WBA, one of two boxing associations, had stripped Ali of his title following his joining the Nation of Islam.

In February, 1966, Ali was reclassified by the Louisville draft board as 1-A from 1-Y, and he indicated that he would refuse to serve, commenting to the press, “I ain’t got nothing against no Viet Cong; no Viet Cong never called me nigger.” On March 22, he was stripped of his title due to his refusal to be drafted to army service. His boxing license was also suspended by the state of New York. He was convicted of draft evasion on June 20 and sentenced to five years in prison and a $10,000 fine. He paid a bond and remained free while the verdict was being appealed.

He was systematically denied a boxing license in every state and stripped of his passport. As a result, he did not fight from March 1967 to October 1970—from ages 25 to almost 29—as his case worked its way through the appeals process. In 1971, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned his conviction in a unanimous 8–0 ruling (Thurgood Marshall recused himself, as he had been the U.S. Solicitor General at the time of Ali’s conviction).

During this time of inactivity, as opposition to the Vietnam War began to grow and Ali’s stance gained sympathy, he spoke at colleges across a divided nation, criticizing the Vietnam War and advocating African American pride and racial justice. At Harvard, he took the stage to a standing audience of lily-white, privileged faces. He was asked by the audience to deliver a poem. He gave it a moment of thought, then spoke into the mic, “I, WE,” to a 6 minute standing ovation.

He regained the Championship title in 1974 and kept it until he finally lost it for good in 1978 Leon Spinks in a TKO decision. Ali was 36 years old and had been fighting since his Golden Gloves debut in 1954 at 12 years old. The Spinks fight was his only career loss due to a knockout of any kind. By this time, Cosell and Ali had long been close friends off camera and had been throwing each other backhanded compliments on camera greatly entertaining all of us. We loved him, too. In 1984, he was diagnosed with Parkinson’s disease. In 2013, he lost the capacity to speak. He has been closely looked after by his children, nurses, present and ex-wives.

During his career and after, he did good work for the Civil Rights Movement, struggled with his spirituality, loved, married and divorced several times, raised children and continued friendships with most of his opponents in the ring. He was The Greatest in many ways.

The world is a poorer place without the great Mohammed Ali.

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