Why still wear a bra when facts show they provide no benefit against ptosis in most women?

Dude, this is, like, the third time you’ve asked this question.

I have tiny A cup boobs but even for me it hurts to walk up and down stairs or to run without a bra due to boob bounce-age. I can only imagine what it’s like for women with large breasts. Bras also distribute the weight of the breasts over the body which helps prevent some of the back problems that women with large breasts are susceptible too.

Also, regardless of whether it’s a good or a bad thing, cultural norm right now is to not have imprints of your nipples visible through your shirt. Bras also prevent this. Not wearing a bra could, in this regard, lead to women getting passed over for job opportunities, etc. because it is currently considered unprofessional or rude to show nipple dimples.

Jock straps don;t prevent testicle and scrotum sagging either but wearing one when being active certainly keeps your balls from bouncing around too much. Ditto for bras.

I wear a bra because I need the support. I don’t give a fuck if my breasts sag or not. It is, and has always been, painful for me to have a normal day’s activity without a bra.

Why do you care? Why do any of you men care? And why are you guys so convinced that you understand the motives of women better than women?

Just popped in to say “nipple dimples” made me smile like a kid at xmas <contented sigh>

Breasts (well, real ones) are prone to sagging, no matter the age of the person I might point out. I never ever believed a bra would stop sagging and why should I care? I am a real woman with real tits. However, I agree that bras for the most part of darned uncomfortable, and I hate them. I wear one to be honest so as not to be judged (I have big bangers).

I can’t think of a similar plight for males. Perhaps a testicle and erection stopping contraption should be worn daily in order that us poor women are not privy to that should it occur!

Is there proof it doesn’t prevent sagging? Are we looking at women in braless societies that typically have large breasts? Parts of the breast, certain tissues, as you stated, once stretched cannot repair. It’s not like a muscle or bone. It’s why I don’t shimmy my breasts in Zumba class.

My breasts haven’t hurt since I was 13–14 and they first started growing. They were painful just walking down a flight of stairs back then. By 15 that all went away. The only other time I had painful breast was a few weeks taking extra estrogen for a medical reason, and also when I was pregnant. But, that’s my experience. Plenty of women have painful breast either all the time or during certain times of the month.

Women wear bras for many reasons. To cover their nipples, to fit in clothes well. To reduce breast pain. To reduce back pain. To be dressed appropriately. There are workplaces that specifically state proper undergarments are required. I think the last thing women think about when wearing a bra is preventing sagging. Especially, if they are a or b cups. Even c isn’t really that large. Plus, some women don’t sag, but they are deflated. It’s similar to sagging but not really. Breast come in all shapes and sizes.

I can’i imagine why you feel that i need to justify any of my clothing choices to you.

@JLeslie: A few years ago some French guy with calipers and busy hands set out to prove that bras either don’t prevent or contribute to sagging. You can google the reports of this. I personally think it’s just another man wanting to fondle women and calling it “science”. Ugh.

@canidmajor If it’s true that the bra has zero effect on sag, I think women would like to know. When I worked for Wacoal my boss was very large breasted. She said she wore a bra to sleep to prevent sagging. She might want to know if a study regarding women with her size breasts showed that a bra made no impact. Having said that, I think you are right, most likely it was a man who wants all women to have naked breasts under their clothing.

I’m sure some women still believe what men tell them about their own bodies, but really, @Mariah is much more spot on. Other people tell us how we have to look, so earning a living and/or looking “appropriate” becomes, unfortunately, the benchmark. Now that I’m not working, and don’t have to behave to someone else’s standards, I do what I do strictly for my own comfort.

^^Me too. I agree.

That study was small and sampled mostly smaller/average breasted women, iirc. Sagging is something that happens to many breasts due to many factors, but it is a misconception that breasts simply “sag with age.” Breasts can sag from the very beginning, especially (but not limited to cases) when they are naturally larger. Other factors such as weight gain/loss, pregnancy, breastfeeding, smoking and genetics are all contributors to the possibility of sagging. I wear bras because I have large breasts and I find it incredibly uncomfortable to go without, it has nothing to do with preventing sagging and everything to do with function and comfort.

Oh, if the study was on smaller breasted women it’s worth nothing. If I still had B cups I’m sure I would still be incredibly perky. Not that all B cups are perky, I’m just saying I feel pretty sure my breasts are lower now, because I’ve been a D cup for the last 3 years.

Face it ladies, HC, being a man, knows better than you what you should and should not do with your bodies.

The women are right. We men are shameless when it comes to boobs and the mysteries of the harness. You all know that we men are slaves to our nether regions and I suspect that a lot of those things are designed to bring out the drooling zombie aspects in male personalities. By the way, since the subject has been broached, do any of you have bras built specifically for yourselves like custom shoes?

@Mariah Dude, this is, like, the third time you’ve asked this question.
No, it isn’t. One alluded to wearing something you did not need, while the other alluded to those who do, do so because of some insecurity subconsciously or not. By some of the responses of this question I would say the latter has some footing or traction.

Bras also distribute the weight of the breasts over the body which helps prevent some of the back problems that women with large breasts are susceptible too.
Another myth you will not find any facts on, in the same corner as breastfeeding will make a woman go flat. A woman with large breast has no more better or worse of a chance at back problems then women who have two stomachs, or one that falls to her mid-thigh, or has to lean back to keep from falling forward.

Not wearing a bra could, in this regard, lead to women getting passed over for job opportunities, etc. because it is currently considered unprofessional or rude to show nipple dimples.
I would suspect that is less than half the industry where women work; which gives traction to question 2 above you say is his question.

@canidmajor Why do you care? Why do any of you men care?
With as many plastic surgeon in the US and the boob jobs they are doing every year (making them extremely wealthy) why do women care? If their breast deflated, sag, etc. why do they not just accept is as a part of their life and move on? If they want their clothes to fit better, or whatever, they can stuff a bra. Unless you are going to say that some to many of those women getting breast lifts, augmentation or implants are not doing it for looks in the slightest?

You can google the reports of this. I personally think it’s just another man wanting to fondle women and calling it “science”.
So facts are not facts unless you personally support or agree with them or their findings? If it had been a woman that said it, that would make it more factual?

@ucme Just popped in to say “nipple dimples” made me smile like a kid at xmas
Sounds like an insecurity issue to me.

@JLeslie _ Women wear bras for many reasons. To cover their nipples, to fit in clothes well. To reduce breast pain. To reduce back pain. To be dressed appropriately. There are workplaces that specifically state proper undergarments are required. I think the last thing women think about when wearing a bra is preventing sagging._
Are they shamed of them? They can have clothes manufactures design clothes for their real body, if they make a big enough noise they can be heard, those….er….”big boned” women are being heard. Not an issue for a good deal of women. Myth for the most part. Appropriately is rather nebulous, depending on where you are at what time it shifts more than the dessert sand.

@Jak I can’i imagine why you feel that i need to justify any of my clothing choices to you.
I wasn’t asking and I don’t care, you have free will to slap yourself in Spanx every day when you do need them. You can wear an artic jacket when it is 97 deg. in the middle of July You can wear what you want, I don’t care, the question was more rhetorical because the spin was predictable as ants attacking the unattended hotdogs at a picnic.

I have been overendowed since I was 12 years old. I am 73 now. I get sore and sweaty when I don’t wear a bra.

Yeah…I’m job hunting right now. If you think I’m going to throw out anywhere near 50% of my opportunities just to avoid wearing a bra, which is something I don’t even mind doing, you’re bonkers.

I am 58 and won’t wear a bra but I do enjoy wearing
sports bras every day as a regular bra. To me they are
just more comfortable.

(1) Sagging is neither the primary nor the only reason that women wear bras.

(2) It is unknown when bras were first invented, but we know that they go back at least as far as the 14th century BCE. These early bras were used by female athletes to fasten and support their breasts with no regard for how they might affect their appearance.

(3) Nobody thought that bras could make a long-term aesthetic difference to women’s bodies until sometime near the end of the 1st century BCE. Around that time, the ancient Romans started to believe that wearing bras could prevent a woman’s breasts from becoming too large (which was relevant because Roman society considered smaller breasts to be ideal).

(4) This means that bras existed for at least 13½ centuries before anyone even started to believe they could affect the appearance of women’s breasts, which in turn means that women found them useful for at least 13½ centuries regardless of whether they had any affect on the appearance of their breasts.

(5) Again, support was the primary historical reason that women wore bras. And if the answers on this thread are indicative of anything, that remains a major reason why they are worn today. There may be other reasons (such as one’s appearance while the bra is on), but support was the original reason.

(6) Many complaints about bras arise from the fact that very few women are wearing the correct bra size. My wife used to do bra sizings as part of a former job, and she still sometimes does it for friends. She has yet to find a single woman who was wearing the correct size who had not previously been professionally sized. After being sized, most complaints go away (though bra style can apparently affect things as well; I’m not really an expert on this).

^ Interesting, thanks for the input, don’t think women would like the Greece era to support but not hide….oh they would not go for that. ~~

Just got in, ripped off bra, heading to the shower now, yay, free falling the rest of the night. lol

@Hypocrisy_Central Oy Vey. Stop kibitzing about women and their bras. Women know their bodies and if they are uncomfortable or not. Come on.

I hate wearing a bra. My breasts are small and I honestly don’t think I need to wear one for any practical reason. The only reason why I wear it is because other people would notice if I didn’t and their notice would make me feel awkward and insecure.

Sounds like an insecurity issue to me
You are a tit in need of support :D

I prefer my tits to look as though they are still defying gravity to at least a small degree. Tits hanging around your knees aren’t pretty.

And @Hypocrisy_Central, you still haven’t answered my question that you bolder in your response. Why do you care? Why do any of you men care?

canidmajor, rather than answer, he diatribes on plastic surgery (because having surgery shows a woman cares about her breasts?).... It’s our bodies and it’s up to us to feel good in our bodies. If some random guy on the internet or out in a pub starts making comments about my breasts, he’s going to get told off and ignored. None. Of. His. F. Business.

@cazzie yes, I noticed that. Which is why I asked again. I’d love to hear what kind of direct answer he might give. Because, really, can any man here answer that question reasonably without sounding douchey? ;-)

If you had boobs, you wouldn’t be asking this question.

Well, @syz, if @Hypocrisy_Central was transitioning from M to F he might actually have a reason to ask. :-)

@canidmajor And @Hypocrisy_Central, you still haven’t answered my question that you bolder in your response. Why do you care? Why do any of you men care?
I could use the standard Fluther duck dodge, and hide and say why do I need to justify my question to you, etc. but I am going to answer it, then I have one for you and let’s see if you answer. The answer to your question is I don’t give a redacted about it, it was more rhetorical to show those bamboozled into wearing them when they don’t need them that they need them because of opinion by others. I don’t know about any other men, I am not them, I am not in their heads, and therefore, they can think as they wish.

Now, let’s see if you duck this, if women don’t care what men think, why or for what reason do they feel the need to have a breast lift, wear a pushup bra, etc. why not be content with that is what age and biology has dealt them? And don’t come back with the weak argument about clothes because there are so many choices it is not like clothes only fit if you have breast that sit way up high.

Silly question. Of course women care what men think. Not just because hetero women want hetero men to be attracted to them, but because men (still, unfortunately) make the rules and often we can’t work unless men approve of it, we still have trouble applying for loans often unless men approve, there are a boatload of medical things we can’t do unless men approve.
Most (and by “most” I mean the vast majority) of women don’t get their breasts surgically altered.
But really, your question was all about wearing bras when you think it has been proven that they don’t stop the sag, and most of the women here have responded that they don’t wear bras for that reason, but for other reasons entirely.

Personally, I figure you just wanted to talk about boobies and call women stupid in the same question, so you’ve achieved your goal.
I miss the days when you exhibited a keen, if untrained, intelligence, @Hypocrisy_Central, you were more interesting then.

And I’m out.

@Hypocrisy_Central I don’t get it, we presented you with plenty of other reasons why we wear bras (such as it fucking hurts not to) and you’ve just chosen to ignore them. It’s like you’re trying to make us look shallow for wearing bras for purely social reasons, even though social reasons are still perfectly valid reasons, and even though we’ve repeatedly explained that there are other valid reasons too. Clearly nobody’s going to be able to change your mind on this though, seeing as nobody did the first or second time you asked either, so whatever.

@canidmajor Not just because hetero women want hetero men to be attracted to them, but because men (still, unfortunately) make the rules and often we can’t work unless men approve of it, we still have trouble applying for loans often unless men approve, there are a boatload of medical things we can’t do unless men approve.
I do not know where you live but around here women seem to have it pretty good, almost better than men. However, getting loans or promotions have nothing to do with a few yards of Lycra Spandex.

Most (and by “most” I mean the vast majority) of women don’t get their breasts surgically altered.
I was speaking in general, not to say most got them, though there are millions done every year. There might be even more of the cost was equivalent to a night out on the down instead of thousands of dollars.

But really, your question was all about wearing bras when you think it has been proven that they don’t stop the sag, and most of the women here have responded that they don’t wear bras for that reason, but for other reasons entirely.
I heard those reasons. The only reason this tangent got going because you asked a question and beckoned me to answer it when I passed it first time as irrelevant to the question. You asked, I answered it, if you did not want to entertain an answer, do not ask the question.

I miss the days when you exhibited a keen, if untrained, intelligence, @Hypocrisy_Central, you were more interesting then.
Boy, I miss the days where people would actually rise up to the level of the question and try to answer in the gist of the question and not filibuster, hijack attempt, soap box inject, duck, dodge or hide from the question and just answer it in the spirit it was asked, Fluther was miles more interesting then.

@Mariah It’s like you’re trying to make us look shallow for wearing bras for purely social reasons, even though social reasons are still perfectly valid reasons, and even though we’ve repeatedly explained that there are other valid reasons too.
I heard what has been said, not all reasons fit all women, and of one goes by stats, non-wearing does not induce pain with a majority of women. I never have seen wearing a bra as shallow unless she is wearing one 2 cup size larger and stuffing it, but I would not know unless I was there when she took it off.

I heard your reasoning not to, but you are one woman in billions, so I can apply it as average. So, if the social reasons you mention were not on play one cannot say pain, or whatever would keep billions of women in them.

@Hypocrisy_Central

Not to derail the thread here (though it’s not really a quality thread to begin with), but you make your disdain of Fluther and pretty much everyone here clear with pretty much every thread you post. So it begs the question – if you dislike it here so much then why are you still here? Why do you keep logging in? Any rational person would have moved on from a forum they have such a dislike for.

Oh right, of course, you know better about what it feels like to not wear a bra than actual women do. Silly me.

@Hypocrisy_Central Why do you want women to be bra-less?

You asked above if women are ashamed of their breasts and that’s why we wear a bra? The question is why are men obsessed with our breasts, and if we go braless and men can see the outline of our naked breast beneath our blouses, will men be more likely to be pcturing our breasts bouncing around while they fuck us, and have a more perfect picture of our actual breast conture, and more likely to think that woman wants to have sex with every stranger because she’s braless, or more likely to think of a woman as a thing? Our society has successfully made breasts sexual objects, so it’s not surprising that when women want to be taken seriously, or don’t want to be treated like objects themselves, they may want to cover their breasts in a conservative fashion.

Any man trying really hard to get a woman to dress a certain way is under suspicion. Both if they want her covered in a sack from head to toe, and if they want her half naked.

“Lord”....forgive him for he does not know. lol

Poor HC. What man in his right mind is going to lecture women on boobs and bras? It’s like poking tigers with a stick.

Maybe he wasn’t breast fed as a baby and he feels cheated.

@Darth_Algar Not to derail the thread here (though it’s not really a quality thread to begin with), but you make your disdain of Fluther and pretty much everyone here clear with pretty much every thread you post
A distain for a person is quite a major cause, I don’t have any distain for anyone, that doesn’t mean I agree or have to enjoy the usual conduct of some, and they have free will, (which they have used often) to disagree or show dislike for mine. If I spent my time posting lowbrow, feeble questions with enough fluff to choke a million T-Rexes people would not have anything that challenge their sacred cows, and stay within the perimeter of the question and not show up with t chip on their shoulder.

So it begs the question – if you dislike it here so much then why are you still here?
That would be a parallel question to ask of those who keep coming on my questions if they think they are so debased or something. The short answer is maybe I have not finished constructing a better mouse trap yet. Maybe the level that people will put a chip on their shoulder and show up with guns drawn has some fascination, could be the same reason those who believe I am somewhat a buffoon or whatever keep answering my questions they clearly don’t like or think is silly.

Any rational person would have moved on from a forum they have such a dislike for.
Any rational person would not keep coming to a dance where they don’t like the food, the music, or the style of dancing done there, so why do people keep coming to answer questions they clearly don’t like, or do not think is even a quality question, why do they not stick with the fluff and the games?

@JLeslie Why do you want women to be bra-less?
Because it is more in line with my ”as-natural-as-possible” modus operando, I am no favor of hair tint, dyes, etc. especially when one gets older, grey is a part of life. I am totally against weaves or extensions that do more than add a little volume to hair, if it tries to make one look as of they have hair they don’t truly have, miss me on that. I am not in favor of all the war paint, the blush, ruse, bright lipstick, etc. In part I want to know who she is and how she looks like, why does she have so much on if she is pretty already? I can admit I do have some double standards which I have not been able to shake and I attribute it to the standard of beauty in the US as I cannot stand underarm hair. Hair on forearms does not throw me as does some men.

[…and if we go braless and men can see the outline of our naked breast beneath our blouses, will men be more likely to be pcturing our breasts bouncing around while they fuck us,…]
So, if a woman has implants to increase her size so her breast enters the room 2 minutes before she does, that increase size be it fully covered makes her more serious and less thought of as boikable than a woman who is a B cup wearing a buttoned blouse without a bra? Why would a man not think that of the woman with double Jupiter on her chest?

Our society has successfully made breasts sexual objects, so it’s not surprising that when women want to be taken seriously, or don’t want to be treated like objects themselves, they may want to cover their breasts in a conservative fashion.
Then I guess when the fat hits the skillet, no woman can really say ”I don’t care what anyone thinks” because by default she has to, so her choice to wear may not really be her choice, at least not as much as those who don’t because of you are correct, those who don’t take the greater risk, almost as the woman who dare to leave the house with no makeup at all.