Do you think it likely that 4 years from now Bernie or someone of his mindset will pick up the gauntlet.

It won’t take four years. Bernie will probably fade to memory, but someone else will pick up the “Throw all the Bums Out” mantle.

As for Trump, whether he wins the General or not—and pray to the Almighty he won’t—he has opened the door—or rather, sprung it far wider—for ever-more divided and nastier state and national elections.

In 4 years, hopefully, Clinton will be running for her second term.

I agree with you about Bernie and how he makes you feel. He will be too old to run in four years. I can only hope someone will pick up his torch. With this country I have no idea in hell. I would never have guessed in a billion years that Trump would be on the ticket. GAH

There are more than the 2 corporate parties. Jill Stein is running now. I’m done voting Democrat.

Stein is the future. The thing is to get her name out there.

Bernie needs to focus on like minded candidates winning democratic primaries in 2018, since he ignored that this season. Senators Sanders and Warren will be too old to look to 2020, so Sanders needs to grow, support, and mentor his successor.

Stein expects people to vote for them, when they haven’t done any footwork, not organized a party at the grass roots level, not gotten a school board elected or a city supervisor, or a county commissioner, let alone a Congressional Representative.

But that seems to be the Green platform: we are holier than thou so we don’t have to do any of the hard work.”

@zenvelo – I think you are going to have a ton of work convincing people to consider voting Democrat again. Democrats sh*t the bed, and it’s going to take some creative explanations and convincing to clean it up.

@DoNotKnowMuch Who is running for Congress for the Green Party? Where do they demonstrate the ability to govern?

And, what is this in reference to:“They sh*t the bed,...”? Obama? Clinton? Harry Reid?

I’m curious to see who will be running downballot who can move the American political mind back toward the centre, let alone left of centre. Definitely hoping to see some young, enthusiastic candidates. American politicians, as a whole, just seem too old.

California is on track to elect Kamala Harris to replace retiring Barbara Boxer in the Senate. A smart progressive Attorney General who could be seriously running for President in eight or twelve years.

Somewhere in today’s America there’s a little girl or perhaps she’s a teenager who will grow into a strong, independent, compassionate, inspirational & highly successful woman.
That woman should be your first female president, not the undeserving bitch currently on the brink, don’t let this little girl down America…she’s your only hope

No, it’s not likely.

Politics attracts self-interested careerists, and they nearly all come from the same political class. They vary from the somewhat self-centred to utter narcissists (like Trump and Clinton).

People like Sanders are rare, and they usually get nowhere at all. This was a golden opportunity to subvert the system a little—and it looks like you’ve blown it.

What you’ll get next time is a phony. Sanders has shown the establishment what younger people like to hear and what appeals to then—and next time they will more intelligently exploit that.

The main parties represent elite and oligarchic interests. A candidate like Sanders doesn’t, and usually the party filters out such candidates. Sanders—being from outside the political class, and an independent all his life—slipped the net, and somehow got through and almost won. They’re not going to let that happen again.

Don’t pin your hopes on a third party. The voting system, and the money required to launch an effective campaign renders that a pipe-dream.

And don’t think Warren is a saviour. She’s a bit better than most, but no Sanders. She knows when to tow the line—and did so with her non-endorsement of Sanders.

I think political change will have to come from outside pressures. Four years is a long time, so who knows. But you’re probably lumped with Hillary for 8 years. I think I’d honestly prefer Trump.

I see Elizabeth Warren runnuing in 4 years if Hillary doesn’t win.

If Bernie won, he wouldn’t be able to accomplish anything. Running for President as a lone white knight is useless.

Progressives need to run people for school boards, city, county, state, and Congressional seats.

They need so-called think tanks to supply a ready supply of talking heads for 24-hour cable news.

That’s how conservatives co-opted the political discussion in this country and took most of the legislatures, while making life worse for the vast majority of Americans.

^ Slow clap. If person x were to win, nothing would be accomplished. This is Clinton’s campaign (“Change is hard, why try?”). We know how the system works, and there is such thing as the bully pulpit. And there are a few “Sanders Democrats” (who we’ve been supporting, including Tim Canova) and the issues would be more difficult to ignore when the f*cking president is the one running his mouth. The corporate media, along with the corporate Dems and Repubs, are able to frame the issues. But if we had Sanders in the office, it would be nearly impossible to avoid what he has to say.

But let’s just hire Hillary Clinton to do the job (Note: I can’t believe this is actually happening, as there is probably no worse candidate I can think of.). Depressing.

Anyway, you’ll get your Trump. And thanks. My kids are f*cked. Democrats are irrelevant little shits.

I think every man, woman and child in America lost in this election regardless of who wins.

@DoNotKnowMuch If you aren’t willing to invest in offices below the presidency, and a widespread campaign to change the national converation, you are too lazy to get anything done, and literally incapable of governing.

Nope. Ask again in 8 years. (I do believe this democracy, possibly like all the others that failed after a maximum of about 200 years, will turn Socialist.)

“not the undeserving bitch”

Stay classy.

Thanks John. Beat me to it

Stay offended people, it shows your weakness but still…

Of course. Socialism will never die out, regardless of how many times it fails in practice.

I think it likely that a third party will emerge from the disaffected Trump/Sanders voters if Trump loses.

The Republicans have no desire to change, and the Democrat’s idea of change was Obama, aka “More of the Same”.

As far as Bernie anointing a successor? Look no farther than Ron Paul, who’s idiot son looked good on his father’s paper.
If Bernie hasn’t inspired someone to be a ready successor, it’s too late now, IMO.

Of course. Socialism will never die out, regardless of how many times it fails in practice.

Right. Like those poor souls living in Scandinavia with better health care, better education, better life expectancy and less poverty than the US.

http://www.theonion.com/r/53070

@Call_Me_Jay Keeping in mind that there are over 20 different types of Socialism, right? New types come along all the time, it seems, and the US could come up with it’s own type that might just work.
Might.
Just.
?

@Rarebear: “http://www.theonion.com/r/53070”

zzzzzz…
I do remember when The Onion was funny – and a bit progressive or at least not conservative. I suppose it doesn’t help that Haim Saban is now involved.

What’s not funny is that this “Bernie-Bro” narrative was no mistake, and it follows in the line of the great attacks the right has been using for years. Now, celebrated by self-described “liberals” or people who should know better.

Bernie will be the overwhelming choice on the first ballot at the convention.

Clearly any suggestion otherwise is a conspiracy of Wall Street and Univision.

^ You appear to have a very difficult time following the plot.

@donot. I would agree with you if people weren’t calling Clinton misogynistic names on a daily basis.

@kritiper is, what, chopped liver??

In 4 years, Bernie will be in his late 70’s. A bit old to be POTUS, I think.

@ibstubro Work?

My favorite sandwich as a kid was chopped liver and cow tongue.