In what context is it okay to assault other human beings, en masse?

Only cool in video games and fiction.

I would think when it’s your life or theirs type thing, or someone attacking your family.

During war time. No one can blame a “brave” citizen wielding a big rifle gunning down a herd of soldiers from the opposite side. You can kill as much as you want, as long as you don’t hurt your side. I don’t say it’s moral or not, I just say it’s appropriate for the context, at least for many. Yeah, in the war there is only “us” and “them”.

Why is it cool in video games and fiction, @RedDeerGuy1? If not in real life?

What’s your vision here, @SQUEEKY2? Home invasion? Where would a mass of people be attacking your family, and for what purpose?

That’s the reason I specified, ”civilian”, @Mimishu1995. In a time of peace. Or are we to assume that war is always and forever imminent?

Can’t think of any. I agree there is no need for civilians to ever have assault rifles.

@ibstubro Because It is agreed on in the rules and expected. Shock and surprise kills the game. If It was a norm than I am or should be free to leave. For example Americas game is to make as much money as humanly possible and is normal with in certain guidelines. For others collection of weapons is also somewhat expected.

Civilians are not generally allowed to own assault rifles

@ibstubro I didn’t know you use the word “civilian” with that meaning. But I think when your homeland is being invaded, you need to aid the fighting soldiers a bit, civilian or not.

But then again it may just be me who has been brainwashed taught from a young age that everyone in my country fought during the war, regardless of their status.

@ARE_you_kidding_me
Please. Defend away.

The gun used in the Orlando shooting is becoming mass shooters’ weapon of choice

Omar Mateen used AR-15-type rifle in deadly Orlando mass shooting, same as Sandy Hook

Orlando gunman used AR-15 assault rifle to kill his victims – the weapon of choice for mass shooters

Complete AR & AK Rifles

@Mimishu1995 Your “During war time” is considered by many terrorists as justification for their killing large numbers of civilians.

Oops.
I dropped a post, so I’ll try to re-create.

We agree, @Mariah, that assault on another human being is wrong, if unprovoked. WTF would someone have cause to attack a group of people, with deadly force, outside of war? And isn’t that what the military is for?

Sorry if this dis-jointed the conversation?

@zenvelo I didn’t say it’s appropriate or morally correct, I said it’s considered right by the people in the context. You don’t necessary see it as a rightful action but people in that context may do. And did I say in the war people only have “us” and “them”?

I don’t agree with that mentality either. It’s just that it is something that people are still glorifying, at least in my country.

When it can be utilized to generate a healthy profit. Gun sales are going to spike…....again.

It is never acceptable to assault other human beings. But to take any or all guns away from everybody is to assume they will all go berserk and kill.

@SQUEEKY2

I’m curious as to what kind of scenario you envision where something like an AR-15 would be necessary to defend your family.

@ibstubro an ar15 is just a semi automatic rifle that looks like a military rifle. When it comes to guns that are used in assaults they are pretty far down the list. Handguns are #1 and most operate exactly like a semi automatic rifle. The gun debate will fixate in the ar because it ” looks evil ”

At no time ever.

@kritiper Some of them certainly will; we’ve had that proven to us. How do you suggest we learn to detect which ones will and which ones won’t? Is owning an assault rifle a situation in which we should assume innocence until proven guilty when that proof means the death of 50 people? What’s an innocent reason for a civilian to own an assault rifle?

@ARE_you_kidding_me You are right, AR 15’s are only used for mass killings, but hand guns kill many more people on a day to day basis.

Ban them both.

Zombie Apocalypse.

The only time where mass killing is justified is in warfare.

I don’t think it’s really ever justified outside of defensive warfare. Even then there are probably better technological alternatives

@zenvelo they are ubiquitous. The ar platform is used in everything from plinking .22 at the range to pesting and hunting big game. The reason they are so popular is because they are modular and can be chambered in many different calibers. You can adapt it for whatever you need easily. Being completely honest, what made it deadly in Orlando is the magazine size. That would be the sensible and correct thing to regulate. Hell, I would support that. Any magazine fed rifle could be just as deadly. If we ban “assault rifles” we really have not done anything.

@ARE_you_kidding_me

Looking “evil” has nothing to do with it. Short of the zombie apocalypse what possible reason could one have for requiring a rapid-fire weapon for home defense?

Fill in the blank, @kritiper:

“But to take any or all _____ away from everybody is to assume they will all go berserk and kill.”

Fireworks might come to mind this time of year.

@Darth_Algar then why the fixation with the AR-15? Why not with all semi-autos?

Why the deflection, @ARE_you_kidding_me?

“something like an AR-15”
“a rapid-fire weapon”

Why the AR-15?
Because 50 fucking innocent people were murdered with one, yesterday.
Because Orlando gunman used AR-15 assault rifle to kill his victims – the weapon of choice for mass shooters

@ARE_you_kidding_me

I said “something like an”, meaning guns of that type, not just that particular model. I mentioned the AR-15 specifically because it’s one of the more common weapon of its kind and seems to be America’s #1 choice for mass shootings.

@ibstubro because basically every other semi auto works exactly the same way. Sure ban the ar15, great. You have accomplished nothing. The next mass shooter will have a plethora of firearms that operate the same way. Want to make a difference? Look at a ban on high capacity magazines. I’d support that myself. It actually does something.

You appear to be the only fixated on the AR 15 specifically, @ARE_you_kidding_me.

I’m all for banning semi-auto weapons. If that doesn’t pick your nit, I’m all for banning any and all guns including your great grandpappy’s powder loaded musket if that’s what it takes.

I can’t set off a fucking firecracker in my 5 acre yard legally, but I can drive to the Walmart and buy all the guns and ammo I can carry and randomly shoot shit up all day long if I want.
It’s insanity.

I have had family members with a history of mental instability that were avid gun collectors.
We need to stop pretending America is still the “Wild West” and start some responsible gun control.

Do you really think a firearms ban will do anything, except take the guns out of the hands of law abiding gun owners??

Now I realize that some of these weapons were purchased legally,but even with that do you think the person really cares if the gun is legal or not, last time I looked murder was banned and yet you still have the nut jobs doing it.

Hard drugs are banned and yet there are thousands and thousands of drug abusers , how is that possible if hard drugs are banned?

Hell speeding is illegal and yet millions of people speed in their cars every day, how is that possible when it is illegal?

Banning firearms or making over zealous gun laws only punish the law abiding gun owner, the mentally ill person that is going to commit mass murder couldn’t give a fuck what the laws say,and we all know that.
I am not against sensible gun laws, such as better background checks, such as mental illness or violence , and mag capacity, here in Canada we already have mag capacity 5 for a semi-auto rifle and 10 for a hand gun.
But a down right ban will only make the black market boom, the nut jobs are going to get a gun via legally or illegally poo-poo if ya want but you know it’s true.
What really is needed something in place so mentally ill people can get help so they don’t do this type of thing.such as mass shootings of gay people or even children.

@SQUEEKY2 and yet countries that have banned private ownership of firearms have significantly lower gun crime across the board and have fewer gun related deaths in a decade than the US sees in a week.

@Lightlyseared and ya know what else they have a universal health care system so people can get help as to not do mass shooting.
And they also have less of a population as well.
And yet we still see terrorist attacks in these countries, how is that when there is a firearm ban?

@Mariah and @ibstubro I suppose the other thing to do besides ban all guns for everybody is to change the nature of law in this country so that any person accused of committing a crime should be considered guilty without benefit of a trial. That’s mob justice, not American justice. No one can know ahead of time who will kill and who won’t. It would be wrong to assume that all will or might and thus punish the law abiders or the gun manufacturers.
“When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.” No truer words were ever spoken!
And why lay so much blame on the AR-15 with it’s “high capacity” 30 round magazine? 40 round magazines can be had for the M-1 carbine, and it’s cheaper to purchase and easier to conceal.
When everybody carries, everybody is safer.
I’ve posted this fact here before: If you take 2 rats and put them in a cage, feed them, they will multiply. When the cage becomes full of rats, they will kill each other.
There are too many rats. If they want to kill each other, they will find a way, with or without firearms.
The best way to control or eliminate the problem?? Kill all of the people.

Yammana, yammana, yammna.

The NRA’s party line.
Those fuckers have resisted all attempts at common sense for so long I’ll throw my lot in with those supporting a complete and total ban. If it has to be all or nothing, I’ll nothing, so be it. Makes more sense to me than what we have.
If we can’t agree to apply as much restriction to buying a gun as we do to buying an antihistamine, then I’m for banning the sale of guns.

“Mateen bought the weapons he used — a 9-mm semiautomatic pistol and .223-caliber assault rifle — at St. Lucie Shooting Center a few days before the massacre. Owner Edward Henson on Monday said he “vaguely” remembered him.”
‘He’s a nobody,’ said Henson. ‘He’s a customer. He came and purchased his guns, and he left.’

I believe the a terrorist organization has radicalized me. The NRA. And not in the way they intended.