What are your thoughts about Brexit?
Or Bremain as I have also called heard it called. By tomorrow morning we should know whether British citizens have voted to leave or remain in the European Union.
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I’ve been wondering why no one brought this up yet considering the significance of the vote. I was listening last night to a report on the repurcussions of Britain leaving the EU, and they will be rather problematic. For example, the hundreds of thousands of Brits stranded in European countries without status. There are huge numbers of British pensioners retired in Spain and Portugal because life is affordable. These people will be effectively forced to abandon their homes in which they’ve invested their retirement incomes and repatriate as virtual refugees. In addition, continental Europeans now working in England will face immediate disruption. The economic consequences could easily trigger a devastating world wide recession and many pundits predict exactly this. There is the question of Ireland still in the Union dealing with isolated England and the stifling effect of the elimination restriction free travel and the immediate restoration of tariffs and barriers. If this thing passes, the mess will be considerable.
@stanleybmanly I’ve been wondering why no one brought this up yet considering the significance of the vote.
It’s England, so Americans don’t care (rightly or wrongly).
I would like Britain to Bremain, but of course it’s up to them. I would hate to see them leave, causing a mass exodus. That would further cripple any that stay.
And yet, @filmfann, an American asked this!
I also see that Stinley asked this in March, sorry for the repeat.
@stanleybmanly: excellent post, thank you.
This is an interesting perspective that someone directed me to earlier today.
That is INDEED an interesting perspective, but I think the author neglects the point that if the measure carries, the failure of the elites to enfoce it will have less to do with the corruption in the system than the legitimate concerns over the cstastrophic conseqeuences involved with “the will of the people”. It’s almost refreshing to witness obtuse arguments in lands other than our own. This dispute is a lot more nuanced than the tranparent buffoonery we fight over, but it’s a nice change of pace to see someone else running the race against stupidity for a change.
As I posted on Facebook today, The Clash have been asking for years if they should stay or go.
I think they should stay..unity is strength even if it comes at a cost associated with it.
Thanks, @Pied_Pfeffer, that really is helpful. (I’m only halfway through, but I wanted to acknowledge you before I forgot). That guy is great!
“Rule Britannia!
Britannia rule the waves.
Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.”
Well, perhaps temporarily…
Politico says that leaving has passed. Going to be cheap visiting London when their recession hits in a few months.
Brexit: Leave Is in the Lead as More Than 90% of Results Have Been Declared – 12:38am ET
US and UK futures clobbered as rolling Brexit results frighten investors – 12:38am ET
My employer is a Yorkshire banker. I hope this isn’t as bad as it looks. But a place in the Lakes District or in a village on a stormy cliff in Cornwall might be nice compensation for unemployment.
What in the world got into the Brits? I really didn’t think they would actually do it.
“Here is London, giddy of London
Is it home of the free
Or what..?”
They are going to sink further. I hope they don’t ask Norway for a bail out. Real dick move.
@Pied_Pfeffer
A fascinating video.
However, not word one about independence as a principle.
But I guess that’s not the Professor’s department.
@SecondHandStoke Is it principle or is it pride? The professor was tasked with objectively studying the potential impact, be it positive or negative, and sharing his findings.
As a US citizen who has spent ~5 mos. a year in England for the past several years, I cannot help but wonder how many people will be detrimentally impacted. It will be fascinating to see how this move plays out.
And so it begins. Prime Minister David Cameron states that he will step down in October. The value of the British £ has dropped 3%.
Ugh. I feel really sorry for all those citizens who didn’t want this.
American’s need to mark this day.
At one time Bremain was such a slam dunk that the leadership didn’t take it all too seriously. Cameron called for the vote expecting to shut Brexit up for the next generation, if not century. Leaving the EU was lunacy.
By the time they realized Brexit had taken on a life of it’s own among the people, it was too lat to play catch up. Against common sense, Britons voted to leave the Union.
Donald Trump, anyone?
“They’re angry about many, many things. They took back control of their country. It’s a great thing.”
BTW, in my opinion, this is an entirely different question than one asked in March.
This is a significantly different world than it was 24 hours ago.
England leaving the EU is probably the most significant topic in the world until the November elections in the US.
My Brit friends are very sad. There is also the very real concern that others will follow suit. The global economy is already affected. The Scots are considering another secession vote from the UK. Ugh.
France, Denmark, Sweden, Austria and the Netherlands, among other E.U. members are facing calls to leave the Union. Greece was already tentative.
Putin is silent. He must be elated. The EU wasn’t strong enough to prevent him from taking what he wanted – Crimea – by force with the UK.
I was listening to the early results last night when the first votes came in and I was afraid was coming.
Him taking over part of Ukraine wasn’t at all a matter for the EU. Ukraine isn’t a member of the EU. The EU really didn’t need to give a rats. That area was and has been so corrupt, the EU pretty much stays out of it, but I have say I know LOTS of Ukrainians who have moved here to Norway.
But the West rattled our sabers, and Putin ignored it, @cazzie.
Ukraine was considered for EU membership before Russia invaded Crimea.
@ibstubro They were going to be set to apply in 2020. They may still try. But remember, so did Turkey. Applying isn’t the same at being seriously considered and things are always very…. fluid here in Europe. Under Turkey’s currently leadership, they don’t stand an ice cube’s chance in Hell. (and I don’t mean the Hell down the road from me that does, actually freeze over every winter.)
“Him taking over part of Ukraine wasn’t at all a matter for the EU” although Ukraine was “going to be set to apply in 2020” for EU membership?
I think you are over-valuing the ‘application’ process for EU membership. It is just a goal some countries set themselves. The EU doesn’t set that for them. And I didn’t phrase it well. They set themselves the goal because of the trade and economic benefits to organise their internal structures so they could apply and show themselves to be in-line with standards of practice. It’s like organising your company that produces a product to be ISO qualified. Does that make more sense? The contested territories and civil rights issues and EXTREME corruption that lead to the invasion were all putting the Ukraine in the red as far as their EU application went anyway. The EU doesn’t want a member that they have to suddenly and immediately to and defend against an enemy they already earned all on their own. Same goes for what is going on in Turkey right now. Their leadership is so backwards and unworthy of membership, there is no way. And if someone had asked 5 or so years ago, ‘How good are Turkey’s chances of EU membership?’ they would have been rated quite high, but now… no way.
I think we’re entering a phase where there are going to be severe crackdowns on immigrants. Europe is gearing up to slam the gates.
You arent wrong, @stanleybmanly . it is how the conservative government got in here in Norway, too. They have been deporting on a mass scale. I have been verbally attacked for speaking English on the bus. The natives are restless.
I have blown hot and cold on the issue, sometimes Leave and sometimes Remain but after the fiasco over the Irish border I incline towards Leave. You have a sovereign state, the Irish Republic denied the right to make a bilateral agreement with a neighbouring country. How ridiculous is that?
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