Now that Britain has voted to exit, how do you British jellies think it will affect you?

Waiting to hear from Nerdy Keith and UCME. I wonder if it will affect UCME’s staff and particularly the butler!

Nerdy Keith lives in Ireland, not Northern Ireland. Ireland isn’t part of the UK.

The UK and the USA are essentially without effective leadership for the next 12 months.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Russia, China, or North Korea (to name the top candidates) start some major offensive that furthers some long held goal – act on a grudge.

I was taught to expect the best, but prepare for the worst.
I hope this ends up a big blip where the UK leaders are able to keep the perks while shedding some of the oppression.
Personally, in the short run, it makes me want to withdraw all my money from the bank and hide it in the mattress.

@ibstubro Easy there, friend. The US very much has effective leadership. There is a vacuum in the UK now because of this self destruction they’ve pressed themselves. Scotland effectively did NOT vote to exit the EU. I would not be surprised at all if they take another vote for Independence and get it and then rejoin the EU.

Executive branch is lame duck.
Legislative branch is obstructionist only.
Judicial branch is stalled along philosophical lines because the
Legislative branch is obstructionist only and the
Executive branch is lame duck.

I am following this question, because I want to hear from our UK jellies. I have many British friends. Most are expats scattered all over Asia. They are reeling this morning.

“I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Russia, China, or North Korea (to name the top candidates) start some major offensive that furthers some long held goal – act on a grudge.”

It’s nice to see that Cold War paranoia is still alive and well. Reminds me of the good old days.

@cazzie
…not Northern Ireland.Ireland isn’t part of the UK.

It looks like it is possible that Northern Ireland will not be part of the UK for long. Sinn Fein’s Martin McGuinness is calling for a border poll and possible reunification of Ireland.

I would not be surprised at all if they (Scotland) take another vote for Independence and get it and then rejoin the EU.

According to this BBC report, FM Nicola Sturgeon is calling an independence referendum “highly likely”.

Also, I have heard rumblings about Welsh independence from the Plaid Cyrmu

The Brits i know voted to remain and think of this outcome as borderline catastrophic. The thing that irks them most is to realize that in spite of what they see as racism and xenophobia overtaking the electorate. The kind of banalisation of racist language that already started in France a few years ago, is starting in the UK too. UKIP is the real winner here.
Le Pen is salivating, thinking how she can push for a similar referendum in France…

Another thing that annoys the British youth is that the younger and active part of the electorate voted to stay, and they did so on an issue that is massively important for their own professional and private future; while it’s in majority the older generations who voted to leave, the nostalgics who still dream of past England glory and all that.

It’s easy to vote ‘out’ when you’ve got a pension and a few years left to live… No skin of your wrinkled neck to stick it up to Europe…

There’s still a chance this will put some fire under the EU and member states’ leadership.

I’m gutted by this result. I can’t believe that people were taken in by the promises that things like immigration, health and education will change for the better. They won’t and we will have royally pissed off our friends in Europe in the process. I saw this on Facebook and felt close to tears

@ibstubro :: Lame duck means the successor has already been elected.

@Yetanotheruser “It looks like it is possible that Northern Ireland will not be part of the UK for long. Sinn Fein’s Martin McGuinness is calling for a border poll and possible reunification of Ireland.”

Yeah, but Sinn Féin has been talking about the “possible reunification of Ireland” for 100 years. At this point it’s basically their version of “the South will rise again”.

@Stinley Pretty upsetting. It seems like the same forces of fear were driving the vote to exit as are driving support for Trump in the US.

@janbb And he thinks it’s a good thing!

@Yetanotheruser Which by itself makes it suspect.

@johnpowell – MERRIAM-WEBSTER: lame duck: “an elected official whose time in an office or position will soon end.”

Well, specifically, @Yetanotheruser, Trump began by saying that Brexit should be good for business at his golf course in Scotland.
Of course, he had no clue that Scotland might want to leave the UK to be in the EU. But I’m sure his response would be, “Even better! Look at what uuuuge market the EU will be!!”

Most people don’t know the whole story behind that golf resort.

@ibstubro Merriam-Webster (from the full definition section, not the simple definition section): “an elected official or group continuing to hold political office during the period between the election and the inauguration of a successor.”

New Oxford American Dictionary: “an official (especially the president) in the final period of office, after the election of a successor.”

Dictionary.com: “an elected official or group of officials, as a legislator, continuing in office during the period between an election defeat and a successor’s assumption of office; a person finishing a term of employment after a replacement has been chosen.”

Wikipedia: “A lame duck, in politics, is an elected official whose successor has already been elected.”

My boyfriend lives in London and he’s devastated by the outcome. Last we spoke, he told me wants to leave now and I think a large part of him was completely serious. He sees it as the equivalent of people here in the US as voting for Trump since UKIP backed it so heavily. His opinion is that, no matter what other excuses most people hide behind, this has everything to do with overt racism and paranoia from the conservatives of the country. He told me he cried, that’s how upset he was – and believe me when I say that is not something that he does easily. But he just sees it as such a step backward that it’s hard for him to handle.

I’m going to wait until I’m over there to ask my family what they think.

It is step backwards and will impact economy adversely.. very very wrong decision made by British out of fear i would say? Not a practical one. No reaction from @ukme still…?

@imrainmaker, he said yesterday he voted to leave and he was thrilled with the outcome.

Ok..in some other thread I guess.. really? He wanted to leave?

Yes. I’ll see if I can find the post.

I’ve been asking people what they voted and why. I’ve been told that we were damned anyway so we might as well try to change and hope it makes things better. Someone else said that he likes change and was looking forward to seeing what happened. Everyone who voted remain is majorly upset and reeling from the magnitude of this result. None of the Leavers seem to feel that it will have a big impact and that any changes will be minor

I think the saddest thing is that it was such a close vote. The real definition of a divisive issue. I often mourn over the voter turnout percentage.

Northern Ireland voted to exit the EU but not by a large margin. There wont be any reunification and addition to the EU in that regard unless they have a serious case of voters remorse. (or non-voters remorse because of the low turn out.)

and has anyone even considered the poor Orkney and Shetland Islands? They voted to stay, too! Yet they are stuck with this very English and Welsh decision. I think Norway needs to take the Orkney and Shetland Islands. They need to determine their Independence and Norway will take them in until Scotland does its thing and gets Independance and sorts it out. Norway and Scotland will continue to rule the oil fields and the UK can go f themselves.

Found this op-ed a pretty good answer to the thread’s question:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/25/48-britain-regrexit-voted-remaon

did you know that humans are more apt to vote and express an negative when it comes to a vote?

seriously, if you have brown eyes, brown hair and olive coloured skin, you are going to be asked to leave. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-news-updates-remain-twitter-muslim-racist-abuse-a7101491.html

One person’s take on how Brexit affects them

Hi, I am new here. I live in England. To be honest, I don’t think I know enough or understand enough either way to possibly, properly comment. I live in an area where there is about 80% immigrants, I would like to feel like I don’t live in a foreign country, but I doubt staying, or remaining, will change that.

@LBM, welcome to Fluther. You can be a virtual immigrant here.

@Jeruba Thank you for your welcome.

@LBM can I ask what you voted, if you did vote?

@Stinley I didn’t vote, purely because I don’t think I understand it all enough. But I would have voted to leave. My boyfriend has explained both sides to me a little, and if it was happening now, then I’m not sure what my opinion would be.

Most folks I’ve talked to who voted to leave didn’t seem to really have a reason for voting that way beyond “why not?”.

I live in the UK, the northern bit that voted two to one to stay in Europe and I am very disappointed with the result. I still have difficulty accepting that a majority of people, even a small majority voted to leave Europe. They were warned of the consequences, the Governor of the Bank of England and others spelled out quite clearly what the effects on the economy were likely to be. The irony is that the falling pound, the reduction in investment and the expected drop in GDP will have a far greater negative impact on services than immigration ever could. The ‘cure’ is much worse than the problems it was meant to solve and I think the leave voters are only now realising the stupidity of their actions, but now it is too late.

Is it too late @flutherother? I’m not a constitutional lawyer but how can the Government invoke Article 50 when so much legislation is in place that legally binds us to being part of the EU. We need to repeal all that legislation before we can invoke Article 50. Article 50 is the final step in the process surely, not the first step, as everyone seems to think?

@Stinley The process of leaving the EU is not simple and will take time but it is irreversible. The people have spoken and though they may now have regrets they cannot unsay it.

@flutherother They are talking about having a new referendum. The fall out has been terrible and the number of hate crimes have gone up in some areas by 500%.

I found an article written by constitutional lawyers. I will presume that they have a bias towards Remain but it is interestingly hopeful that the Referendum result still has a long way to go before it could be declared binding.
Here’s the last paragraph of the article:
Article 50 specifies that a decision to leave the European Union must be made in conformity to a Member State’s constitutional requirements. If the Prime Minister sought to issue an Article 50 without parliamentary approval, it would not satisfy this test; it would not be effective in European Law.