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Do you think the officers in the black shooting incidents will face any charges?

Asked by SQUEEKY2 (23474points) July 9th, 2016

Just wondering?
Law enforcement seems to be exempt of the law they are paid to enforce.
If anything it would be nice to see better training for police officers before they enter the field.
What is your opinion.

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johnpowell's avatar

No. They will walk. That is why Dallas happened. I’m just shocked it took this long.

The father of my sisters first kid is a cop and he is mental. I had to call the cops on him when she was pregnant because he had my sister pinned down on the bed and was hitting her stomach screaming about how he didn’t want a kid. Apparently that was enough to make it so he could never be a cop in Oregon. So he just crossed the river into Washington and has been a boy in blue for 15 years.

He is still a super racist asshole and was at my house last Christmas. He walked in with a “Make America Great Again” hat and t-shirt and I just went to my room to get drunk.

No amount of training can help the dude. He should have never been allowed to be a cop.

elbanditoroso's avatar

Should they? Probably. From what I have read and seen, it doesn’t seem like either had a reason to pull a gun, much less shoot to kill. From my perspective (and I am not an investigator or an FBI guy), this was overreaction and misjudgment.

But will they be? Doubtful. There is a strong tradition of exonerating misbehaving policemen unless the offense is unequivocally inescapable, and even then it’s open to question.

Part of it is for the cop’s safety – a cop in prison does not last long.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Better training should start with better screening, in my opinion.

gorillapaws's avatar

No idea about the charges, but I agree with @johnpowell. While improved training may help in some cases, ultimately I think we need much better psychological screening to weed out hot-heads, guys with power trips, racists, people who were bullied as kids and want to punish the world, etc.

I also think having a lot more women on our police forces, and demilitarizing them would go a long way to improving things.

(I’m not saying that women are incapable of abusing power as cops, but I suspect that statistics will show they are much less likely to do so).

SQUEEKY2's avatar

TOTALLY agree ^^^ @gorillapaws .

zenvelo's avatar

No, and that is why there is so much distrust of the police.

You want the citizenry to support Law Enforcement? How about a few cops staying immediately that the murdering police are under arrest and in jail, not on “paid administrative leave.”

kritiper's avatar

Will have to wait to see if there is probable cause.

johnpowell's avatar

This is a massively cynical thought.

What if cops are murdering black people because they want to go to Hawaii and are out of vacation days?

It seems like a sound strategy. A few paid months off and you can chill on the beach. The odds of indictment are minuscule.

imrainmaker's avatar

Is there a way to file public petition against them in the court of law or can the court itself take it on their own ? Are such things possible in US? I’m just wondering if judiciary can do something about it?

CWOTUS's avatar

I’m just curious whether everyone responding to this question thinks that they already know all they need to know in both of these cases to be sure of the right and wrong of things, and how it all went down.

I sure don’t.

Seek's avatar

@johnpowell Hey, play your cards right and you could come home from vacation to a hefty wire transfer from GoFundMe.

DrasticDreamer's avatar

No, nothing will happen to them. It never does, and as others have said, it’s precisely why Dallas happened, even though it’s obviously not a justifiable response. But it makes perfect sense.

Even I’m scared of cops. The last time my best friend and I got pulled over in her car (her tags were expired, but she had the temporary paperwork in the window – which was clearly visible), two cops got out, one went to her side of the car, the other my side. When the cop at the window realized his mistake and saw the temporary paperwork in the window, he had to let us go. The cop on my side of the car stared me down the entire time without blinking or looking away, and then walked away with his partner with an exaggerated sad face (mouth upside down), as they were leaving, and then turned to me again, laughing and smiling. It scared the shit out of me. I would never want to be alone if I was pulled over for anything, and I’m not a black man. ‘Nuff said.

Seek's avatar

@DrasticDreamer Whenever I go on long road trips, I keep a Bible in the car, clearly visible from the windows. I also put on my best Customer Service Representative Southern Accent for Angry People when dealing with them. Both things have improved traffic stops for me.

ucme's avatar

It’s like, “Who shot J.R?”
Except more real & shit

DrasticDreamer's avatar

@Seek Not bad ideas at all. I’m not sure how the Bible would work in Portland (tons and tons of atheists here, but I definitely think I could be a good ass kisser if needed. The leering was just so fucking creepy.

Seek's avatar

@DrasticDreamer Yeah, if I leave Florida I’m firmly in the Bible Belt. We got pulled over once while following a doom band around the Southeast. It was January, and cold, and the heat in our truck broke, so we were flying down the interstate to get to our next hotel. Told the cop that pulled us over (after he noticed the Bible) that it was a Christian Rock concert. Gave us a warning. It was pretty great.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

It would be a tough bet, mostly because I always lose on sure things. If I were to bet $500—which I can hardly scrape up at the moment, much less lose—I would bet that… ah… ummm… jesus… I’ll bet that they will walk.

Here’s why:

The Washington Post found that an average of five officers per year have been indicted on felony charges over the previous decade; this year, 18 officers have been charged with felonies including murder, manslaughter and reckless discharge of a firearm. Such accusations rarely stick, however. Only 11 of the 65 officers charged in fatal shootings over the past decade were convicted.

Cops walked 14 times in 2014:

Tamir Rice, 12, he was playing with a toy gun in a park.

Jason Harrison, 39, armed with a screwdriver, shot 5 times by officers after his mother had called to have him hospitalized during a schitzophrenic episode.

Cameron Redus, 23, unarmed, shot 5 times during a traffic stop.

Brian Beaird, 51, unarmed, after a car chase in his Corvette.

Autumn Steele, 34, unarmed, she called the cops during an argument with her husband. She was shot dead after her dog bit a responding officer.

Jerame Reid, 36, unarmed, shot after stepping out of his car with his hands up.

Jessica Hernandez, 17, unarmed, shot during a traffic stop while driving a stolen car.

Davin Guilford, 17, unarmed, during a traffic stop.

Abdul Kamal, 30, unarmed, shot 13 times.

Nicholas Thomas, 23, unarmed, shot in the back after a stop for “driving quickly around a building.”

Danny Elrod, 39, unarmed, shot in the back after running and trying to jump a fence. The same officer had earlier killed another unarmed suspect in 2012. No indictment was brought in either case.

Jeremy Lett, 28, unarmed, shot while resisting the officer in a case of mistaken identity.

Gilbert Flores, 41. Flores had brandished a knife during a domestic dispute, but cell phone video shows he dropped it and had his hands raised when officers shot and killed him.

Daniel Isaac Covarrubias, 37, armed with a cell phone. Shot and killed when he refused to climb down from a pile of lumber that he owned and pointed his cell phone at the officers.

All the suspects in the cases above were killed by police officers. None of the cases made it to trial.

Indictments have been dropped against 2 of the 6 officers involved in the Baltimore case of Freddie Grey killing during Grey’s circuitous transport to jail in early 2016.

Headline in today’s USA Today: 26 Police Officers Killed So Far in 2016, up 44% from 2015

Here’s My Headline: As of this afternoon (Houston), 610 civilians have been killed by police officers so far in 2016. Up 22% from this time last year.

Cops, 621 to People, 26 and we’re only halfway through the year.

As of June 1st, 2016, the count looked like this:
509 people were shot dead by police officers.
484 were male.
25 were female.
238 White.
123 Black.
79 Hispanic
46 Unknown.
23 Other.

Weapons: 35 unarmed, 27 unknown weapons, 22 toy weapons, 35 threatened officers with vehicles, 88 knives, 282 guns, 20 Other.

According to the data compiled by the Washington Post a large proportion of those killed obviously showed signs of mental illness. Of the 509 killed as of June 1st this year at least 124 were thought to be suffering from such conditions.

Many of those killed carried guns according to police records. In at least 22 cases officers mistook toy guns for the real thing.

In 2015, the last year of complete statistics, 986 people were shot dead by police officers, 274 of them were unarmed..

Twice as many whites were killed by police than blacks between Jan. 1st and Dec. 31st, 2015, BUT black men—who make up 6% of the US population—represented 40% of unarmed civilian shooting deaths by police.

The landscape of police shootings is surprisingly thinly explored. The FBI is charged with keeping statistics on such shootings, but a Post analysis of FBI data showed that fewer than half of the nation’s 18,000 police departments report their incidents to the agency.

The research also noted whether victims were mentally ill or experiencing an emotional crisis, a category that came to account for one-quarter of those killed. Officers fatally shot at least 243 people with mental health problems: 75 who were explicitly suicidal and 168 for whom police or family members confirmed a history of mental illness.

The Washington Post analysis found that about 9 in 10 of the mentally troubled people were armed, usually with guns but also with knives or other sharp objects. But the analysis also found that most of them died at the hands of police officers who had not been trained to deal with the mentally ill.

This is a bet I sorely want to lose. But it sure looks like a sure thing that I will win this one. Maybe I should make it an even Grand.

MrGrimm888's avatar

Face charges? Maybe. But I would say it’s highly unlikely they will be ‘proven’ guilty.
The biggest ‘out ’ is that an officer can use deadly force if he/she feels their life is in eminent danger. It is nearly impossible to prove that an officer wasn’t in fear of their life in a given situation if the officer testifies that they were. If they stay that course, the law protects them…

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