Should Trump be judged only by pro Trumpers?

It’s an amazing age we live in. A man whose levels of insensitivity border on brutality may actually insult his way into the White House. The evening news has become a sinister plot to convince me that I’m trapped in a National Lampoon movie.

That idea (only pro-Trumpers can judge Trump) is ridiculous. It’s a terrific way to be surrounded by mindless sycophants, but it is totally divorced from the real world.

But look, Trump isn’t exactly a master of logical thought.

Of course not. If only the people who like [insert anything here] can make judgments, we’re seeing only a very skewed slice of the population.

How can it be that not being born in US, —even if you were 1 day old when you moved to US—diqualifies you from being a president, but being a Trump doesn’t, or a Carson doesn’t.
@stanleybmanly And it’s not just insensitivity, it’s also not having a clue on how government works, i.e not like a company, not knowing stuff anyone would know (“I’ll find out what it is after I become a president” not exact quote) and on and on.
@elbanditoroso and @Mariah I was being sarcastic with the question title.

Our opinions are based on his actions and the things he says.

@Dutchess_III Saying is doing. If you go around praising terrorism or fill in the blank bad thing, these are actions, even if it doesn’t involve your hands.

I said that we judge him on the things he says. Your point?

I’m not pro trump or pro Hillary, but you do realize there are some decent people voting for him, right?

I’ve met many intellectual, open minded (as in not racist, or islamiphobic, etc.) people who are voting for him.

When I asked why, they said because they are so sick of how the country is run now, they are desperate. (Kind of sounds like Germany after World War I).

Their logic is that trump might run this country like a business, and help out money problem. I don’t think trump can start a genocide or anything without congresses approval. Essentially congress runs the US.

But I am completely clueless when it comes to politics, so I really have no opinion. This is just what I’ve heard

@flo “How can it be that not being born in US, —even if you were 1 day old when you moved to US—diqualifies you from being a president, but being a Trump doesn’t, or a Carson doesn’t.”

Why would being Trump or Carson disqualify you from the presidency?

Was she asking why not being born in the US disqualifies one from being president? That’s the rules. You have to be born in the US or , if you’re born in another country, one of your parents must be a US citizen.

It makes intuitive sense, doesn’t it?

@flo, I missed the ‘sarcasm’ symbol on your question

@Dutchess_III

No, I think she was asking why Trump and Carson weren’t, for some unexplained reason, disqualified for running for president. I seem to recollect that she’s posed this question before.

She REALLY REALLY despises Trump and everything he says and stands for and feels that should somehow disqualify him from being President (and Carson presumably because he is a Republican who is socially conservative as well as fiscally.)

And perhaps also because he uses the prison experience as his raison d’etre for why he believes that being gay is totally a choice. I must admit that when I hear him talking like that he really does sound pretty stupid.

But, he’s a very competent Neurosurgeon so he can’t possibly be as stupid as he sounds sometimes :)

You would think the voters might have the wherewithall to disqualify him. As I said before, there’s little point in blaming Trump. If ever there was a candidate fitting the model of “what you see (and hear) is what you get” it’s Donald J Trump. The whole show is almost too absurd to believe. You have a pig in a suit virtually oinking “I’m a pig in suit & I can prove it.” The pig then proceeds to loudy demonstrate just how foul & piggy it can be——and the reaction? Well half the crowd stands stupified in disbelief at the spectacle, thinking “that is one offensive pig!” But the other half can’t quite see it that way. Notice that NO ONE on either side denies that it is indeed a pig in a suit. But porky’s fans, disgusted at the deceits dished upon them by non pigs revel in his authenticity, as a “real” pig & for them, that’s enough. So is this what the country needs now, a pig in a suit?

Well, Donald Trump was born in Queens, NY and Ben Carson was born in DEtroit, Michigan. Last I heard those were both colonies in the U.S.

@Buttonstc Carson really confused me. I have always had the utmost respect for the man…until he ran for president. I couldn’t believe the things he said. How could someone so smart say things that were so dumb? Really disappointed.

@Sunshinegirl11
“there are some decent people voting for him, right?
I’ve met many intellectual, open minded (as in not racist, or islamiphobic, etc.) people who are voting for him.” So, you’re saying that if you hear “some decent…open minded,... not racist not Islamaphobic” people advancing the cause of terrorism that would lead you to be okay with terrorism?

Do you pick the babysitter to your kids, your whatever else, based on how close they are to Trump? Faaaar from it.

@Sunshinegirl11
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/03/donald-trumps-ever-shifting-positions-on-abortion/

@elbanditoroso I see that @stanleybmanly didn’t need the sarcasm symbol. My question title is clearly a ridiculous thing to propose.

@Sunshinegirl11

I suppose you never heard of the following:
Republicans who are not blinded by tribalism, etc. who have their wits about them, who see that night is night and day is day when it comes to Trump. http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/meet-the-republicans-speaking-out-against-trump

I have seen Trump described as suffering from clinical narcissism. That statement would seem to be an appropriate symptom.

The thing that can be said for Trump as a phenomenon is that he is so stark that there is no slipping past him for greasy politicians. No one stands a prayer of sweeping up behind him with “what Donald meant to say was…..” For conservatives, he’s the ultimate nightmare, a man who says out loud EXACTLY what he (and a lot of them) think. There’s no spinning or damage control to be wheeled out and the entire Republican machine must sit powerless awaiting the inevitable gaffes, insults, and alienations, as he rumbles unchecked through the sensibilities of the populace and the wreckage of former party infrastructure. The agony within the institutional GOP is palpable. Because the situation is actually hopeless. Those so stridently calling for the need to “get behind the party’s candidate” are missing the big picture in the looming catastrophe. The ruin is now unavoidable. For those seemingly few in the cadre with the mental acuity to see ahead, it is clear that the party itself, never mind the country, will be. immeasurably worse off if Trump does win. The choice is now either Hillary or institutional oblivion for the party of Lincoln.

@stanleybmanly Well said.
But how can the legal minds in the America not see that he didn’t really compete and win? I mean isn’t it a fake win?