Are pro-nazi related swimwear banned in Nice, or just the so called Burkini?

@flo It’s not the “so called” burkini; it’s the burkini. Whether you like the name or not, that’s what the person who invented it and trade-marked it calls it.

And yay for the high court canceling the ban, even if it is only in one town so far. I totally fail to see how Nazism has anything to do with the issue.

There is a reason /a purpose for the term “so called” @janbb

Pro-Nazi swimwear? Does such a thing actually exist?

@Darth_Algar I don’t know if it does but there are clothes that have things and images symbols on them, whether they wear them at the beach or other public spaces. So, my question is if they are going to ban anything it should be undeniable hate promotion activity using clothing.

I don’t understand pro-nazi related swimwear, and I don’t understand any correlation to the burkini.

French court suspends burkini ban
By Jim Bittermann, Sheena McKenzie and Catherine E. Shoichet, CNNUpdated 1630 GMT (0030 HKT) August 26, 2016

CNN | 2016–08-26T12:58:57Z
(CNN)Mayors do not have the right to ban burkinis, France’s highest administrative court ruled Friday.

The Council of State’s ruling suspends a ban in the town of Villeneuve-Loubet, near Nice, and could affect cities around the country that have prohibited the full-length swimsuit.

@syz See answer to @Darth_Algar

@olivier5 Thank you for the text. Do you happen to know if they ban other things at the beach or elsewhere in public?

@syz^^ Nooo^. Not in the least am I suggesting that. I’m against the ban of the so called Burkini becuause telling people they have to show this much or that much skin is just as, or more oppresive than telling people they have to cover all skin. I brought up the Nazi thing, to say that if they don’t ban nazi etc. related imagery, it’s really messed up. If they are going to ban anything, there is something to ban.

Many European countries actually do have bans on pro-Nazi imagery/hate speech/etc.

Someone check the thermostat in Hell. I agree with @flo on something.

LOL. Nazi bikinis? That is not sexy at all. What would a Nazi bikini look like? Little meat hooks hanging off the nipples? A big swastika covering the crotch like a huge neon stop sign? I can’t imagine anything more incongruent than a Nazi bikini.

The pictures I saw of four armed policemen on a French beach forcing a woman to remove articles of her clothing were a little disturbing to me and I applaud the court for reversing the ban.

@Espiritus_Corvus Google “Nazi bikini” Images and there are several results, though most seem to be drawn rather than real.

Nazi insignas and flags and propaganda materials are banned in France, yes. So is hiding your face in public, since 2010.

I believe the ban is on the wearing of religious symbols. So Nazism isn’t a religion so would not be banned on those grounds. But can anyone tell me if nuns are allowed to wear their habits on beaches? It’s all so racist and such a knee jerk reaction.

There is no ban on wearing religious symbols in France, and yes the nuns are allowed to go around in the streets unmollested.

@olivier5 Of course, that’s right, sorry. It’s no religious symbols for public employees at work. No full face veils in public.

@flo : Why do you keep putting the words “so called” in bold? What “is a reason/a purpose for the term ’so called’...” as you stated to @janbb? I am curious, also.

As to the question, I believe you are adding apples and Buicks.

Waiting to hear why it is so called also.

@Stinley I believe it’s also no religious symbols in schools, isn’t it?

I read that the ban was instituted specifically because they felt that beach-goers would be frightened by the reminder that Muslims Walk Among Us, and the authorities felt that by banning burkinis (so called or otherwise) the tourists would be more comfortable.
I can’t source this, I didn’t bookmark the article.

@canidmajor The reasons I read had more to do with the French desire for a secular society and their thought that the burkini was repressive of women. I think they’re all bullshit reasons anyway. If this so called bathing attire allows them to go into the water, isn’t that liberating? I often see Orthodox Jewish women on my local beaches in long skirts, long sleeved shirts and head scarves.

It’s still basically just another case of not letting women make their own apparel choices, which, in just about any context, pisses me off.

@canidmajor We are in total agreement. And making a woman in a so called burkini strip naked on a beach surrounded by police is brutality.

@janbb yes, religious symbols are not allowed in state run schools

I think when you’ve got to the point that armed police are forcing women to strip out of their chosen swimwear on the beach in public then it’s time to have a look at your own society/culture and stop worrying about other people’s.

@Espiritus_Corvus Re. see my second post i.e my answer to @Darth_Algar

@flo: Not to be a bug about this, but you made such a point of emphasizing ”so called”, not just in your details, but to @janbb, and I honestly don’t understand why.

@olivier5 “Nazi insignas and flags and propaganda materials are banned in France, yes. So is hiding your face in public, since 2010.” That makes sense.

To anyone who doesn’t see it’s so called burkini, not a Burkini, then the nun’s habit, or any outfit that exposes only the face, is a Burkini. Is that correct?

There is no Burqa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burqa there, and there is no bikini https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bikini there.
It’s like Charlie Hebdo with the image of a Crusifix in a glass full of urine, etc., Now where is the funny there? Nowhere is sight.

@canidmajor By the way @janbb in her last posts sees that it is indeed “so called,

@flo I haven’t the foggiest what the rest of your post was saying but my referencing the “so called” burkini was satire not agreement. A fedora is a fedora is a fedora…..

Four French cities now getting sued for their burkini ban. Looking forward to see some rationality and justice in that debate, at long last…

Meanwhile, Sarkozy the midget has promissed that he would change to freakin’ constitution to ban burkinis, if elected… :eyes rolling: Why not change the constitution to ban white socks? I always hated ‘hem… ;-)

@flo Nobody really cares about the name, it’s a commercial thing.

And Charlie Hebdo is not always funny but that’s okay, satire is about more than fun.

@olivier5 Do you say “It’s a commercial thing” to excuse a wrongfull act, in the commerce arena? If no then there you go.

There is your Google search results re. the term “so called” in relation to burkini, the outfit in question. https://www.google.ca/#q=The+socalled+burkini

@janbb “If this so called bathing attire allows them to go into the water, isn’t that liberating?”
“And making a woman in a so called burkini strip naked on a beach surrounded by police is brutality.”
In my opinion, those are 2 flawless statements logicwise or otherwise. Are you arguing with me?

@olivier5 Re. Charlie Hebdo, (all those people who died for nothing) there are political cartoonists that don’t go the route of Charlie Hebdo. http://www.loonwatch.com/2015/01/why-i-am-not-charlie-hebdo/

… Edit to add: “In my opinion, those are 2 flawless statements of yours above, logicwise or otherwise. Are you arguing with me?”

And down the rabbit hole we go

@flo: Regardless of what you think @janbb posted, I am still unclear by your bold designation of “so called” when referring to the burkini.

“Zanetti’s company Ahiida owns the trademarks to the words burqini and burkini, but they have become generic terms for similar forms of Islamic swimwear.”

From this, which indicates that it is, indeed, an actual product, and not just a so called designation.

@canidmajor I believe you just repeated yourself.

Do you also say ”so called Xerox machine” when referring to a photocopying device? or a ”so called Kleenex” when asking for a tissue?

@flo there are political cartoonists that don’t go the route of Charlie Hebdo.

Your link was full of lies, about Charlie being racist and islamophobe. Doesn’t that bother you to spread lies about terror victims, written by people who never read Charlie Hebdo in their entire life?

There are 2 common uses of so-called
1 when the term is new and not known by many people.
2 to indicate that you don’t think that a word that is used to describe something is suitable or correct i.e. in a derogatory fashion.

A google search will no doubt find type 1 uses from when burkini was a new word but it has got to,the point where it is so well known that people will assume that you are using it as in type 2.

I should say photocopy machine, and tissue, @Seek

Then why not say “modest bathing suit” instead of “so-called Burkini”?

Asked and answered, your honor.

Why does it feel like we’re trying to solve a riddle?

@Seek The “inventor” gave it the brand name Burkini, which is like calling night day, or day night. So are you’re asking the inventor why didn’t she gave the brand name “modest bathing suit”? I wouldn’t recommend that, but at least it doesn’t send the opposite info about the attire.

By the way the Xerox and Kleenex, example (above) are not similar to the so called Burkini case.

Oh, dear.

Well, I’m glad we’ve flogged that to death with no further elucidation. Maybe we should try some other portmanteau words and see how far we get.

“Twas brilling and the slothy toves did gyre and gimble in the wabe.”

@janbb

How about the so-called “internet”?