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For you folks in the East, exactly WHAT is a paw paw?

Asked by stanleybmanly (24153points) September 8th, 2016 from iPhone

I hear kiddies singing that song. And I’ve been told it’s a fruit. But from the song it sounds like the ground is littered with them.

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Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

In the Florida Cracker dialect, it’s Papaya.

What song is that?

Seek's avatar

Huh?

The only time I’ve ever heard someone referring to a “Paw Paw” it was their grandfather.

Pied_Pfeffer's avatar

Paw paws are indeed a fruit native to parts of the US. Despite living in those areas, I’ve never seen one.

According to a couple of articles read recently, the paw paw is making a comeback. Apparently, its taste and texture is similar to custard. It’s a ground fruit, so it makes sense that, if growing abundantly, they would be scattered about.

As for the song, I don’t know which one you are talking about. The only version I’m familiar with is crude and was sung by crass boys on the school bus decades ago.

stanleybmanly's avatar

“Pickin up pawpaws put em in a basket” or sometimes “pickin up pawpaws put em in your pockets”. The tune is exactly the same as “one little two little three little indians.” And I can’t be the only old coot here that’s heard it.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

OK, I’ve been wrong all goddamned day. Why stop now? My evidence is purely anecdotal. I was given my first pawpaw (one word) by an octogenarian Cracker whose family settled in Florida before the Civil War. He picked it right of a papaya tree directly in front of me. I was about 13 at the time. He was an amazing source of Floridiana, a very nice old man. He also taught me how to cast a net for bait. Every once in awhile I’ve heard old timers call papaya pawpaws as well. I will look for some literary reference. I’m sticking to my guns on this one, goddamnit!

Christ. It’s like I’m losing my fucking mind.

stanleybmanly's avatar

I also have vague memories of the thing being a jump rope tune.

BellaB's avatar

Friends of mine in Eastern Ontario just planted some. Here’s a little article about them

si3tech's avatar

@stanleybmanly Here is the reference I found:http://www.seriouseats.com/2014/09/what-are-pawpaws-wild-fruit-midwest-how-to-prep-and-eat-pawpaws.html

stanleybmanly's avatar

Thanks @BellaB for the informative link.

syz's avatar

Paw paw You can find the trees for sale at nurseries that specialize in native species.

rojo's avatar

From the Georgia Dept of Ag: Pawpaws

gondwanalon's avatar

I live in Tacoma Washington and I have 5 Paw Paw trees (Asimina triloba) going in my back yard.

Ah um. Hear goes:

Where, oh where is dear little Danny?
Where, oh where is dear little Danny?
Where, oh where is dear little Danny?
Way down yonder in the paw-paw patch.

Come on girls, let’s go find him,
Come on girls, let’s go find him,
Come on girls, let’s go find him,
Way down yonder in the paw-paw patch.

Pickin’ up paw-paws, put ‘em in your pockets,
Pickin’ up paw-paws, put ‘em in your pockets,
Pickin’ up paw-paws, put ‘em in your pockets,
Way down yonder in the paw-patch.

Where, oh where is dear old Nellie?
Where, oh where is dear old Nellie?
Where, oh where is dear old Nellie?
Way down yonder in the paw-paw patch.

Come on boys, let’s go find her,
Come on boys, let’s go find her,
Come on boys, let’s go find her,
Way down yonder in the paw-paw patch.

Pickin’ up paw-paws, put ‘em in your pockets,
Pickin’ up paw-paws, put ‘em in your pockets,
Pickin’ up paw-paws, put ‘em in your pockets,
Way down yonder in the paw-patch.

Where, oh where is dear little Jimmy?
Where, oh where is dear little Jimmy?
Where, oh where is dear little Jimmy?
Way down yonder in the paw-paw patch.

Come on girls, let’s go find him,
Come on girls, let’s go find him,
Come on girls, let’s go find him,
Way down yonder in the paw-paw patch.

Pickin’ up paw-paws, put ‘em in your pockets,
Pickin’ up paw-paws, put ‘em in your pockets,
Pickin’ up paw-paws, put ‘em in your pockets,
Way down yonder in the paw-patch.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

Evidently, there is a wild pawpaw tree in the northern climes that produces a fruit that looks much like a young, immature papaya, yet tastes like a mature one: It appears to be the latest thing in that freakish world of culinary one-up-manship inhabited by persons who would like to consider themselves food aficionados.

Article 1
Pawpaw trees, the largest edible fruit trees native to North America, produce greenish-blackish fruit, usually three to six inches long. The flesh is pale to bright yellow and contains a network of glossy, dark brown seeds. A pawpaw’s flavor is sunny, electric, and downright tropical: a riot of mango-banana-citrus that’s incongruous with its temperate, deciduous forest origins. They also have a subtle kick of a yeasty, floral aftertaste a bit like unfiltered wheat beer. “The flavor of pawpaws is forceful and distinct,” writes culinary historian Mark F. Sohn diplomatically in his encyclopedic book, Appalachian Home Cooking.

The outside color and size sound to me like unripened, green papaya. The golden flesh, black seeds and tropical flavor sound precisely like my mature, golden papaya. Notice that they describe it coming from a tree, not a bush or any kind of ground cover. According to the above author, the taxonomic name of the fruit they are describing is Asimina parviflora. Here’s a picture of the fruit in the article
from which the above description—using only the term pawpaw—comes from. It’s probably written by some Yankee whippersnapper attempting to break into culinary writing. Bear with me.

Article 2
The papaya I know, which is also called pawpaw in some of the more remote, undeveloped parts of the world where there is, evidently, no culinary media coverage such as Florida, is the Carica papaya. It is, apparently, also called pawpaw by the Aussies, (as well as at least some Florida Crackers) according to this article. Notice the author begins the article with the term “Papaya/pawpaw,” and then continues to use the two terms interchangeably throughout. Here is a picture of the fruit these authors are talking about, the Carica papaya. The picture depicts young, green papaya/pawpaws on a single-stemmed tree (with a very long tap-root, like that described in article 1.)

The words papaya and pawpaw are also used interchangeably when describing Carica papaya in Article 3 and Article 4

There are a plethora of articles on the net describing fruit known exclusively as pawpaws, like in article 1. This what I think. As far as I know, Carica papaya, the Floridian pawpaw I know, doesn’t grow north of Georgia. The paw described by my friends here at Fluther and in Article 1 and a shitload of articles now found on the net, the Asimina parviflora, is another pawpaw of a different color. It has been long ignored until now, and is found wild as far south as Georgia, throughout Appalachia and as far north as Canada. There are also bushes, or shrub-like trees, found in the same climes and as far south as Key West known taxonomically as Asimina Obovata (Bigflower Pawpaw), Asimina Parviflora (Smallflower Pawpaw), Asimina Pygmaea (Dwarf Pawpaw), Asimina Incana (Wooly Pawpaw), Asimina Angustifolia (Slimleaf Pawpaw), Asimina Reticulata (Netted Pawpaw), Asimina Tetramera (Four Petaled Pawpaw), Asimina Triloba (Common Pawpaw). All pawpaws.

As to my sources in Articles 2–4, I personally think Dr. Hulda Clark, along with the others who claim a cancer cure are out of their fucking minds, but she does use the terms Pawpaw/papaya interchangeably, as do the Middle Path Natural Health people in Article 2 who also provide a photo of what is definitely one bisected mature golden papaya, as well as The Treatment for Cancer Club people, who also were nice enough to provide a picture of what is most assuredly young, green papaya fruit dangling at the top of a papaya tree.. So, what this proves is that, although the company may not be very rational, I and others are not alone in using the terms interchangeably, and like the old man in my first post, not entirely wrong either.

I think, in this case, the world is confused by the physical similarities of the fruit, despite the taxonomy and the loose colloquial term, “pawpaw”. I’m satisfied now that I’m not losing my mind. And that really is what this is about. It’s about a Fucking bad day.

Coloma's avatar

I think Granny Clampet made pickled paw paws.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

I’m going to bed.

Coloma's avatar

@Espiritus_Corvus It’s alright, really. haha

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

One final thing: This also puts the subject of the pawpaw song in question.

Coloma's avatar

Put on your kerchief and just allow the visions of paw paws to dance in your head dude. lol

ucme's avatar

I’m from the north east (you didn’t say which country) & paw paw is what we say to our dogs when we wanna shake hands.

janbb's avatar

I remember the song from childhood. I’ve always thought of it as a southern US plant, never heard of them up here in the Northeastern USA.

si3tech's avatar

@stanleybmanly Pictures and recipes in my earlier post. America’s Best Secret Fruit.

LostInParadise's avatar

Although paw paw trees are native to where I live, I have only seen them in nature preserves. The trees do not grow tall and are not very thick, but they can propagate by sending out runners, so that a small grove of them can all be from one tree.

Jeruba's avatar

You guys weren’t looking for Dear Little Susie? You left her down there and didn’t go find her? all alone in the paw-paw patch? OMG, I hate to think it.

Strauss's avatar

a small grove of them can all be from one tree

Thus, the paw paw patch.

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