Arranged married redux, is there still no proof that it is worse than marriage done of freewill even if the bride is a minor or not?

I just wonder if their is prearranged gay marriages. We have shotgun marriages. Which is close to arranged marriages. If there is no love than it is open to disaster.

I just wonder if their is prearranged gay marriages.
I would lean towards betting my dollars to anyone’s donuts and still having change and a belly full of donuts that has not happened, or there is no proof. It has not been fashionable to be gay until really the last decade, the marriage option was not available until the recent SCOTUS debacle, and certainly it would not be revealed in lands where arranged marriages are likely to happen, I would also suspect such unions are illegal even without speaking of marriage.

@Hypocrisy_Central, whether the child is a minor makes a huge difference to your question. Perhaps you can think about whether you want to understand if arranged marriages involving minors cause harm or whether there is any evidence of arranged or non-arranged marriages being better than the other. When you bring in the question of underage brides, you open up a whole different discussion.

@Hypocrisy_Central Thanks. Logical.

I think that before you can talk about “better” or “worse” marriages, you have to define both terms.

“Better” could mean financial improvement in terms of dowry paid. It could mean status of the families. It could be amassing of political or social power. Or, just maybe, it could mean that the couple is happily married and that they live an long and happy life together.

“Worse” could mean anything from wifebeating to poverty to financial hardship. And so on.

So before you make statements about how arranged marriages might be better or worse, I need you to define what ‘worse’ means. It’s one thing to throw out a question, but quite another thing to define the terms of measurement.

But the fundamental question is one of free will. Should a parent be deciding this sort of thing for their children? In western society, we believe free will is generally preferable to coercion.

@Earthbound_Misfit [..whether the child is a minor makes a huge difference to your question.
I cannot see how less some emotional inclinations, because a female 16 years of age can be a minor in nation X the same as a female 11 years old, but legal in nation Z where the 11 year old would not. So, unless narrowing arranged marriages to just one certain nation one has to rely on their laws, I suppose.

Perhaps you can think about whether you want to understand if arranged marriages involving minors cause harm or whether there is any evidence of arranged or non-arranged marriages being better than the other.
I am trying to look at it from a clinical, logical, pragmatic way, not how I feel about it, or agree with it or not, to go down that road would ultimately lead to a conclusion based off emotion and not fact of any kind. If I had to go off just known facts, freewill marriages are either 30% successes or 30% failures (can’t remember which) whether or not arrange marriages fail at a greater or lesser rate or if the age of the female has any factor in the success or failure, would needed to be explored.

When you bring in the question of underage brides, you open up a whole different discussion.
That puts a limit on which arranged marriages being spoken of, because in some nations who is under aged is not the same in a neighboring country, but the fact their marriage was arranged is a constant regardless of where they reside on planet Earth.

@elbanditoroso I think that before you can talk about “better” or “worse” marriages, you have to define both terms.
Then it would degrade into how my values are not correct or wrong, or how other factors are better, etc. What a person determines as ”better” I guess had to be defined by their experience, be it mental, a sense of security, financial, being provided for, being protected, education opportunities, etc.

“Better” could mean financial improvement in terms of dowry paid. It could mean status of the families. It could be amassing of political or social power. Or, just maybe, it could mean that the couple is happily married and that they live an long and happy life together.
“Worse” could mean anything from wifebeating to poverty to financial hardship. And so on.
Yeah, it could include all of that and then some, but not everyone would agree to the list of what makes ”good” or ”bad”.

So before you make statements about how arranged marriages might be better or worse, I need you to define what ‘worse’ means. It’s one thing to throw out a question, but quite another thing to define the terms of measurement.
I would love to reduce it to that, but with this crowd it becomes very problematic, tried in the past to place the bread crumbs right to the door so everyone knows the trail and people got out the leaf blower and blew the bread crumbs away. I could say based off my experience of what ”good” or ”bad” would mean but I don’t want to debate my standard and the question gets lost or filibustered.

But the fundamental question is one of free will.
I would say the fundamental question would be just because the marriage was arranged would it function, or survive better, worse, or the same as marriages where the husband and wife choose each other than having someone else mate them up.

Guess they are still pondering a response that will hopefully have some tractions.