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rem1981's avatar

Will the hippies be missed?

Asked by rem1981 (396points) September 14th, 2016

As we get closer to hippy extinction…...Do you think they“ve done more harm than good?

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Cruiser's avatar

All I know is the real hippies at Burning Man were none to happy with the rich 1 percenters crashing their love burn fest with their air conditioned tents, masseuses and gourmet chefs. Eating dirt covered eggs off the ground at your campsite is a thing of the past.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

Hippies are still all over the place, they are just always on the move when the yuppies who think they are hippies start moving into their territory. One day there is a real coffee shop and a little playhouse in a small satellite town the next there is a whole foods, REI and starbucks.

flutherother's avatar

No-one sticks flowers down the barrels of guns anymore and no one plays music like the music at Woodstock. There is not much left but nostalgia for our youth. Any harm we did is forgiven.

rem1981's avatar

According to my grandparents, America was great until the hippy movement. After that it became cool to live in your car and go to school for art and literature. This is what they consider to be the downfall of America.

elbanditoroso's avatar

At a minimum, we need to sing this old hippie hymn

link

cookieman's avatar

It’s okay. The hipsters are lined up to take over.

Darth_Algar's avatar

There haven’t been hippies since the early-to-mid 1970s, when they all cut their hair, put on nice, respectable clothing, got jobs as academics and investment bankers and started doing mountains of blow.

kritiper's avatar

Hippies evolve like hipsters and beatniks. They’ll always be with us in one form or another, ya dig?

filmfann's avatar

As long as there are non-conformists, there will be those who align with hippy culture.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

I assure you there are real hippies living in the hills of my old hometown.

rem1981's avatar

I was referring to the original hippies. The vegans you see today, chain smoking cigarettes and spending their whole paycheck at Whole Foods don“t count.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

@rem1981 Yes I know. Those are not who I’m talking about.

Love_my_doggie's avatar

Hippies left the building in 1969, after Charles Manson et al had committed such unspeakable crimes. Nobody wanted to look, think, act, or live like the Manson Family. Anyone who claims to be a modern-day hippy is a poseur.

Hipsters form an entirely different movement.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

Are they truly poseurs if they actually still live like it was 1969 and don’t venture out very much?

Love_my_doggie's avatar

@ARE_you_kidding_me In my humble opinion, you’ve perfectly described a poseur – a person who acts in an affected and pretentious manner. Unless, of course, the person is age 70 and hasn’t ventured out since youth.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

@Love_my_doggie They way I see a poseur is perhaps different. I see them doing the hippy thing out in the open for everyone to see but then they go home to a completely different life. Basically everyone at one of those big week long outdoor music festivals

Coloma's avatar

Hey, young whippersnapper, I’m a hippie throwback, just a few years behind the original crop of hippie colts & fillies that stampeded their way into the one of the most influential movements of the century. I came of age in the mid-70’s and the hippie influence was still going strong. Extinction is imminent yes, with the originals in there mid-60’s to early 70’s and us young hippie boomers in out late 50’s but… the spirit lives on in the music, the idealism, and the overall flavor of those times lives on, to a large degree, for many of us.
I have always enjoyed the country/mountain life, am tree hugger to a large degree, have farmy pets ( just about to go collect eggs and bring hay up for the horses and donkeys) and bebop around in my little hippie indian dresses and sandals on this ranch property,

I still enjoy the occasional herbal essence, ( make a mean batch of Happy Brownies ) and fell hard for the back to nature, simple living mantras of the era.
Sure, I have also enjoyed some of the finer things in life but I’m a Sugar Magonlia at heart and you can still find me down by the river, if Uncle Johns band is playing, all the better.
Infact, in honor of this question I just tuned in to some old grateful dead tunes.

Thanks for sparking a little afternoon delight! :-)

Coloma's avatar

More good than harm, I might add. Some of the greatest music came from the hippie generation as well as a focus on ecology, conservation, stewardsh
The hippie movement cemented a lot equal rights, relaxed sexual hangups, natural birth, healthy living and an appreciation of nature, on & on. I live in in area of Northern CA. where there are plenty of hippies, young and old still doin’ their thing.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

Eh, hippies always say that. I think it was a good thing the movement happened but ultimately a wash.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

What happened was that the war in Vietnam ended and we began having babies. It’s hard to be anti-establishment, to refute almost all the values of established society and rebuild, redesign, start from scratch experimenting on communes—when you have babies who deserve a future, to not live in the mud and toilet facilities of the 19th century, and to get a decent education, even if it is a future in a society that one feels has developed corrupt values. And new people stop showing up when the most tangible evidence that the society has gone wrong—the unjustifiable War and the draft to that War, ends and all that are left are the subtleties—the subtleties that survive to this day. People don’t revolt over mere subtleties, they must have something tangible, a glaring, on-going insult presented before their very eyes and invading their homes.

So, most of us conformed, outwardly anyway. We went back to school, finished our degrees, developed our careers, bought homes, raised our babies. And we had the displeasure of being one of the foci of American Vietnam War era historical revisionism by said establishment. The common lament I hear from friends from that era to their children is, “You had to have been there.”

Since those years, we have had the luxury of hindsight. My parents were of the opinion of @rem1981‘s grandparents, but since those years, I, and many of my cohorts from that time have gained a larger picture and understanding of our parent’s generation far beyond our living rooms back home. They grew up in a devastating national economic depression. Then they were called to fight in a two-front war that they initially didn’t want but soon it became clear that they had no choice if their country was to survive, a massive world war that pitted tyranny against the democracies that they were unsure they could win until two long years into it—at a time when they, themselves, should have been buying homes and having babies. And they won.

They came home and went to work, built new, safe, comfortable subdivisions, an interstate highway system, thousands of institutions of higher learning with better access to the common man, broadened American international business and brought the American economy to heights never seen before in any country in modern history. The debt my generation owes our father’s and mother’s is… there are no words, it’s ineffable. They truly were the Greatest Generation.

My portion of the following generation grew up in that environment of soft living, of safety, education and good healthcare built by my parent’s generation. We were raised to believe that this was the result—and always would be—of living in a society that valued most of all Life, Liberty and Happiness, the Four Freedoms as described by FDR and depicted in Norman Rockwell’s famous painting, democracy for all, universal suffrage and that all men were created equal. We were good, the shining light on the hill, and all the luxury we reaped was a result of hard work, honesty, heroic defense of and a stoic commitment to these values—and we wanted nothing but the same for all the peoples of the world. They could live this way too, if they only emulated us, emulated what became known to us as the American Way. This is what we were taught in those schools built by our fathers and it was what we believed.

But there was a dissonance in the background. There were films on the nightly news of Americans, mostly in the South, being waterhosed, beaten, attacked by police dogs because they were peacefully marching against strange things like the Poll Tax and voter’s rights—rights my portion of the generation of the 1960’s though everyone had. My father, a Kennedy liberal, explained that it was because the victims of this violence were “colored”. Then some white college kids from New York, who had gone South to join the struggle for black voter’s rights were found murdered. There appeared a man, a black preacher named Martin Luther King whose speaches explained the situation of the black man in America. He also said, a society with such deep corruption, it would be only a matter of time before we would all be victims—one way or another.

At this point, while still in junior and high schools around the nation, many of us were begining to realize that the assassination of Kennedy in 1963 may have been more than an isolated incident of one crazy man shooting the president. Looking around at things, like the escalation of our country’s military meddling in a backwater called Vietnam, the escalation of the Civil Rights Movement and a little thing out in Berkeley called the Freedom of Speech Movement—and the violent reactions our authorities took against them—it became to look more systemic, the reaction to a sick society that had become sated in materialism and celebrity—and would practice any form of national and international injustice to continue to feed itself these things. And it’s appetite was voracious.

And then they came for us. The war had escalated—a war 10,000 miles away involving an opponent of which had never attacked us and that had never been adequately justified to the American youth who had to fight it—to the point where the draft had been drastically increased, it became tantamount to impressiment, and every male one knew either go or justify himself in front of the local Selective Service Board—or dodge. One day you’re wending your way through student protests in the Quad pursuing a future as a teacher and wondering where you’re going to get the two-fifty for the latest Beach Boys album that your girlfriend is crazy about when you prefer the Beatles, and exactly eleven weeks later you’re up to your knees in rice paddy mud shooting and getting shot at by some “gook” and the guy next to you fumbles a grenade and nearly kills both of you. And you wonder what that girlfriend is doing back at college, so fucking far away.

We just wanted to see if there was another way, if we could really be the people we were told we were. We often threw the baby out with the bathwater, but because of my generation you now have a cleaner environment, a more realistic view of our history and who we are so we can fix ourselves, a better nose and determination to recognize corruption in our government instead of slovenly sweeping it under the rug, the Second and Third Wave of Feminism, and much, much more. Shareware is purely a “Hippie” idea. We probably wouldn’t have had home computers so early if it weren’t for Jobs and Wozniak and their use of Hippie or, more precisely, Yippee guerrilla tactics in getting the money to start Apple by building and selling little blue boxes that cheated the telephone monopoly Bell Telephone Co. aka “Ma Bell” out of long distance calls. Computers would have stayed exclusively within the corporate realm for a lot longer if it weren’t for them.

We just wanted a better world and we weren’t perfect by any means. For those interested, HERE is a remnant of what Time Magazine and other mass media called “Hippies.” We called ourselves Heads. The Farm are good people, but not everybody can live like this and they have evolved quite a bit since 1971 when they loaded up their old school buses and headed out from the Haight toward their new home on a piece of land outside a small town in Tennessee. They do good work and have made the community around them a better place than before they came. And that, I think is the core “Hippy” philosophy. I miss them greatly.

Damn good coffee today.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

Well, up until starbucks and Kcups. Now it’s mostly swill again.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

Oh, that wasn’t a hippie reference. It was a reference my polygraphia above. I had a few cups of damn good Cuban coffee today. Americans call it espresso. Home brewed. And I type really fast. But those little ma and pa hippie coffee shops/art/literature venues that began popping up around the nation—a revival and legacy of the Beats—did usually serve a good, rich brew unlike the dishwater usually served elsewhere. Their selection of teas weren’t bad, either.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

Yep, Still a couple of those places nearby. Generally a good bakery in close proximity also.

Coloma's avatar

Remember Ronald Reagans famous hippie bashing statement.
“They dressed like Tarzan, had hair like Jane and smelled like Cheetah.”
lol

Coloma's avatar

@Espiritus_Corvus Beautifully spoken, standing ovation! The young’uns can’t get it, how could they, zero reference point. They think “hippies were all stoned, barefoot and pregnant dropping acid in the weeds at Grateful Dead concerts. Such a sad stereotype.

Coloma's avatar

Well what the hell other generation has equaled the hippie movement in the last 60 years?
Initiated such huge, volatile and radical change.
Not the punk generation, not the goth generation and certainly not the rap crap gangsta generation. lol
No other generations have made as much of an impact, hands down, as the greatest generation and their hippie offspring. We stand alone and above, beyond a shadow of a doubt.

It’s all been done.
everyone sing

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm8yG8sBrIE

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

@Coloma, Easy, my friend. They don’t have the draft to unite as one gelling, gelid force like we did. And the jury is still out on the contributions they have made, it is way too early to judge them.

Evidence of the rightiousness of those who’ve come after us is the sensitivity that they continuously show for the minorities among us. They fight too, but not in one cultural or political entity.

When I see an Olympic runner going for the gold, stop in her tracks to pick up a fallen opponent then watch them walk together across the line arm in arm to the sound of thunderous cheers, I know the younger ones have the message. Here on this very site we meet people like Mimi and Sneki and so many others just embarking on life in a world in many ways much tougher and more competitive than ours when we were their age, and they give me incredible solace that it won’t totally turn to shit any time soon.

The evidence is everywhere. Just in the last month, we’ve seen Trump marginalized, the incredibly powerful head of FOX News neutered, destroyed, forced into ignominy for treating the professional women under his command as if they were his personal sex workers. The evidence of hope is everywhere and the existing generations after us will continue to carry the torch, independently and in their own way, and to the tune of their own music.

rojo's avatar

Yes, yes we will be missed and you can all go to hell in your designer clothes and 8 to 5 workaday lives.

rojo's avatar

@elbanditoroso not “Puff the Magic Dragon”?

which we all (of a certain generation) know was not about dragons

Coloma's avatar

@Espiritus_Corvus Quite true, forgive my fervor. What can I say, got carried away for a minute there. However, rap is still crap. haha

rojo's avatar

See, the problem is real hippies didn’t/don’t get involved in politics so they didn’t/don’t control the nation. The people who go into politics are not the kind of live-and-let-live people hippies were/are; they are the kind of people from each generation who go into politics and they never change.

rojo's avatar

According to Plan With everlasting thanks to Melanie.

stanleybmanly's avatar

There will always be people who “drop out”. For the great bulk of those choosing this path, the experience amounts to a phase in their lives. The thing to note about the explosion of hippiedom is that it occurred at the time when America was at its zenith. We
were a rich country defined by full employment and rising personal expectations. In other words, it was a period in which the idea of ” taking a vacation” from the square world might be achieved with mnimum risk.

In today’s hard scrabble America, the consequences for frivolous decisions are both glaring and severe. Young people no longer have the luxury of “tuning out” and dare not step off the “square” assembly line of dull conformity.
Nothing curbs idealism as effectively as hard times.

So it’s goodbye Hippie Freebie, hello grim reality.

Darth_Algar's avatar

Oh I do love when people romanticize their group while denigrating those that came after (especially when that denigration comes from the generation who created the quagmire we’re in now).

Coloma's avatar

@Darth_Algar Well, I’m really tired of boomer bashing, a lot of us boomers retained our idealism and are not and were not part of the boomer group that created this, so called quagmire you mention. In the same way I made a faux pas of dissing subsequent generations you also are boomer bashing. Same rope, different ends.

stanleybmanly's avatar

There is truth in the argument that the great price that we flower children paid in abrogating all that square nonsense is that our descendants might well bear the consequences for generations to come. I have often wondered if the fact of all of those educated pampered young people abandoning the field of “normal” interactions left a vacuum to be filled by idiot conservatism.

rem1981's avatar

When I think hippy, I think smelly people promoting drug use. Smelly drug addicts we can live without.

Coloma's avatar

@rem1981 Well that’s a bias and stereotype. When I think hippie I think, non-conformist, nature loving, conservation minded, peace seeking, war hating, live and let live. The drug use in the 60’s and early 70’s was less about addiction and more about raising ones consciousness and burning through ego and hangups. At least that was the original intent, and it worked for many. I survived a lot of drug experimentation in the 70’s without any lifelong addictions and am still extremely sharp, and I can assure you I have never been smelly. haha

Darth_Algar's avatar

Damn right I’m boomer bashing. Baby boomers inherited one of the greatest societies the world had seen, “dropped out” for a few years of drugs and free love, then happily fattened themselves on fruits of the land at the cost of mortgaging away their children and grandchildren’s future.

Coloma's avatar

@Darth_Algar Oh, cry me a river. You know what they say, there are no victims only volunteers. Again, a whole, helluva a lot of us boomers practiced what we preached way back when. Don’t throw the baby boomers out with the bath water.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

⚛LOL⚛

What’s the matter Darth? Your dreams didn’t come true?
Hey, brother, I ❤ you man. ☮

Dutchess_III's avatar

Lots of younguns trying to copy us! ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮ ☮

Coloma's avatar

^ Don’t bogart that joint my friend. ;-)

Dutchess_III's avatar

cough cough cough cough giggle. What?

Coloma's avatar

^ Oooh, you know what sounds really good right now? Celery with marshmallow cream. lol

Dutchess_III's avatar

Tacos! Tacos!! Tacos! Crunchy tacos!

Coloma's avatar

@Dutchess_III You better change those overalls, bong water is not a becoming scent for a lady. lol

Dutchess_III's avatar

I figured you would forget that!

Darth_Algar's avatar

Touch some nerves did I? Good.

Coloma's avatar

@Darth_Algar The only nerve you touched was having the nerve to blow this same, sad old whistle of blame while simultaneously dissing a whole lot of really good people that had no part in your “woe is me” rant.

Here ya go Darth. Dig in.

www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/27_amazing_things_baby_boomers_have_done_for_humanity/11044

Dutchess_III's avatar

Ding dong @Darth_Algar. The “drop out, free love (read “sluts”)” story referres to a very, very small percentage of a very small percent of the the young population. Certainly not to blame for the current economy.

jca's avatar

There’s a good documentary about a commune called the Black Bear Ranch in Siskiyou
County, CA. The movie focuses on the late 60s, early 70s and it’s called “Commune.”

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