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elbanditoroso's avatar

Can someone explain to me the strategic goal of Trump parading out the former Bill Clinton women? I don't get how that was supposed to help Trump.

Asked by elbanditoroso (33578points) October 10th, 2016

Sure, those women don’t reflect well on Bill Clinton. But to me, if anything, that makes Hillary a more sympathetic person, because she’s suffering (again) for the misdeeds of her husband.

If the idea was to rattle her – hasn’t she been through that for decades? It didn’t seem to bother her.

Is Trump fighting with tools that were obsolete since 1996?

I just don’t get what the Trump political strategy was behind this stunt.

Can anyone explain?

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imrainmaker's avatar

He’s trying to prove Clinton’s worse than him w.r.t. women to save his skin. But he doesn’t understand wrong of another person doesn’t make you right in any way.

zenvelo's avatar

He was trying to show Hillary condoned Bill’s conduct.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

It’s supposed to simply downplay Trumps philanderings by pointing out the over the top scandals with women and Bill. It’s just picking up the shit he is in and lobbing over to her like a monkey.

Darth_Algar's avatar

One thing I learned in kindergarten was the “bu…bu…but they did ____” excuse doesn’t work. It’s always sad to see adults try to use it. Especially when they’re running for office.

jca's avatar

There was a meme on FB that pointed out how hypocritical is is that he’s talking about Hillary standing by Bill but yet Melania is standing by Trump after his talk of molesting women.

JLeslie's avatar

The right wing HATES Bill Clinton for being unfaithful, and they believe he harassed women.

A lot of Bernie voters HATE Hillary for staying with Bill, and worse they find her a hypocrite and disgusting for saying negative things about the women Bill “allegedly” took advantage took of.

I’m guessing the ladder, the group who hates Hillary for what they see as her treating women badly is the most dominant reason to bring it up. Those democrats might very well vote third party.

rojo's avatar

Yeah, every time someone brings up Bill Clinton I have to ask myself who the Republicans think they are running against.

jonsblond's avatar

Hillary shamed Bill’s accusers for political gain. Trump’s tactic worked on me because I’m a two-time rape survivor and Hillary disgusts me. I hate looking at her smug entitled face.

I’m voting for Stein.

filmfann's avatar

He wanted to rattle Hillary, and remind viewers that she wrongly attacked these women when they came forward.
It looked like she was unmoved, but Bill looked stressed.
Remember when Trump was representing himself as the “class” candidate?

Pandora's avatar

I’m sorry it negates anything these women have to say ever for me. It’s not the fact that they wanted to harass and make Hillary Clinton thrown off her game. But that as victims of rape they would support a man who privately spoke to another man about sexual assault and came out to say he came out to support Trump. The rape victim that Hillary prosecuted came out because she was offered money. I’m sorry. I know rape is horrific but trying to get justice from a lawyer who followed the law years ago, is just harassment. It has nothing to do with Clinton. How many male lawyers who defended rapist does anyone know, is being harassed?

As for whatever doubts I ever had, one way or the other, it was disgusting for them to support another sexual deviant. It would’ve made more sense if they said they are not voting or voting for 3rd party.
So, I hate the woman who didn’t rape me because she is still married to this sex offender, and support the other admitted sex offender because it wasn’t done to me by him, who is accused of rape of a minor as well.. Just doesn’t work for me.

I agree. He wanted to deliver a low blow to Hillary. He might as well as grabbed her crotch. It was pretty much just as vulgar.

jonsblond's avatar

^victim blaming

Rape victims will sometimes do anything to be heard. Yeah, shame on them. ~

jca's avatar

Trump parading the former “Bill Clinton women” was, in my opinion, distracting from the real issues, distracting from his “grab em by the pussy” remark and just sensationalism.

JLeslie's avatar

Trump supporters won’t see any hypocrisy. I’m not talking about those voting for Trump because they have no other choice in their mind, but the supporters are writing things like this in Facebook:

At least Trump wasn’t in office when he said horrible things about women, Hillary sent top secret emails while she was Secretary of State, Bill was governor and president, blah blah blah.

One friend of mine talked about now he is deplorable in Hillary’s opinion. I wrote back that I think should never should have said what she did, but why the hell does he (my friend) think she is talking about him? Does he (my friend) think Trump is talking about my husband when he says Mexicans are criminals? If we are going to forgive one candidate for generalizations then we should be forgiving of all. But no, people often are selective and only hear the negative about the other candidate.

Moreover, if people identify with the “victim” they latch on. My friend identified with the white deplorables, but not the Mexican criminals, but I challenge everyone to put the group they identify with in the sentences, or put the candidate they like as the person saying the sloppy remark and then make sure your reaction is the same.

I went a little off Q there, but it relates to the treatment of women too. A lot of Trump voters will choose to believe it was just locker room talk. Bullshit. I know men that do that very thing. They cop feels and the girls let them do it. I wouldn’t say it’s against their will, but I would say the men are disgusting about how it is a total ego thing and it shows zero respect for the woman. Once in a while it might actually be against the girls will and that is quite obviously assault. I have no idea if Trump ever crossed the line.

Anyway, again with hypocrisy, most voters will believe what they want and take offense where they want.

LostInParadise's avatar

What I find most annoying about Trump’s actions is that he has turned the presidential campaign into a clown show. I just can’t imagine having as president someone who talks and acts the way that he does. The way that he touts his own brilliance and engages in name calling and puts on side shows shatters the dignity of the office of president. And the press can’t get enough of it. What does this say about us as a nation? Why are we not discussing substantive issues?

JLeslie's avatar

^^The media and the public aren’t helping. It was another politician who brought Trump’s hands size. It was the Republicans and the media that brought us to waste our time with impeaching Bill Clinton over a blow job. I agree with you I hate Trump turning the race into a clown show full of sexual innuendos, escapades, and also full of his inflated ego, but this has been the trend for years.

Pandora's avatar

@jonsblond So what I hear is that it’s okay for a rape victim to support another rapists. So they can be heard. They have been heard for years. It’s been all over the media. This isn’t about being heard. And not all of those ladies claim rape. And the 12 year old from over 30 years ago is harassing Clinton because she did her job. And one the Bills rape victim is accusing Hillary of harrasment because she shook her hand forcefully about 20 years later. Yeah. Sorry. Hillary did not rape any of these women and yet they take it out on her. But they think rapey Trump is okay. I’m sure Trumps victim doesn’t feel like Trump is any better than Bill Clinton. Yet, it seems his victims don’t go about blaming his wives. Melina Trump is classy for marrying a man with a reputation of cheating on his wives, but Clinton isn’t even though she married her guy way before any rumors started. They aren’t even accusing him so much. They blame her for what he did. How does this make sense to anyone?

jonsblond's avatar

@Pandora Because some women who have been raped might do anything to finally be heard. They were there to make a statement. They werent supporting Trump. I’ve been raped and no one believed me. I understand because I’ve been in their shoes. Have you? Quit with your victim blaming.
I ask Broaddrick what happens now — now that she and her story are back in the news. “I honestly do not know where things go from here,” she says. “I can tell you I’m not political. I have no political interest whatsoever. My only interest is in making sure the Clintons don’t get back into the White House. I know nothing about politics. All I know is what happened in that room in 1978, and what happened two weeks later, when she threatened me.” “I sat for about an hour with my Twitter account,” she adds. “I sat there for the longest time and thought, ‘Don’t do this.’ But I did it. And I’m glad I did.”
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Your comments and the approval for your victim blaming disgust me. What hypocrites you all are.

stanleybmanly's avatar

Where else was he gonna go? Trump is as amazing a spectacle as we are ever going to see. The one truly extraordinary thing that can be said about him is that less than a month from the election he has yet to declare a cohesive policy on any single issue.

Pandora's avatar

You are wrong about them not supporting Trump. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/09/trump-holds-press-conference-with-women-whove-accused-bill-clinton-sex-assault-rape.html
I also don’t get how I am victim blaming. I never said what happened to them was deserved or they looked for it. I’m only stating that blaming the wife of the rapist is ridiculous. They have absolutely no way of knowing what Hillary knew or didn’t know. And if she did know after the fact and chose to forgive him is her business. I’m not being a hypocrite. It doesn’t mean that women don’t deserve their day in court. But at the same time it doesn’t mean that every man in jail is always guilty 100 percent of the time. It doesn’t mean that the way things play out isn’t plagued by interpretation.
Just look at how our interactions have gone. You see my posts one way and I totally see it differently. My words haven’t changed but your interpretations of them are not what I was trying to convey in any way. I even went back to re-read them, and I still don’t see what you see.
I understand why you may see it the opposite of what I see but I am not trying to hurt you. Just trying to put my perspective on how I interpret their actions and how others may see it as well. The world isn’t black and white and neither are opinions.
I don’t know if Trump is a rapist as well, even though he is being accused of it. I don’t know if he has manhandled women over the years. I don’t even know if his wife was raped and abused. She said he did in the divorce proceeding and then took it back and said it never happened. But I do know that Trumps constant bragging over the years about his sexual escapades and this tape only helps to confirm that he believes being rich allows him to get away with anything he wants to get away with. He speaks of Washington elite and yet he is very much a part of the elite.
There is much that Hillary may be guilty of as well but I know one thing for sure. I don’t know what she did and did not know about those women. The only people who know is Hillary and Bill.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@jonsblond

You can shout it all you want, but no one here has engaged in victim blaming.

cazzie's avatar

I found out my ex was telling my son that Hillary should be in jail because of how Bill treated women, but that Trump was ok because all he ever did was use words. We had a long talk. (Me and the son. I’ve given up on the ex. He’s someone else’s problem now.)

BellaB's avatar

Very well said @Pandora .

MollyMcGuire's avatar

Those women hate Hillary because she defended her husband 100% publicly when we all know she is too smart not to know that every allegation was most likely the truth.

Pandora's avatar

@MollyMcGuire Isn’t it her choice. Are all women who stand by their man considered scum now? Yeah, no. I’ve known some really smart capable women who have stayed with some really pathetic scum bags. Smart has nothing to do with feelings. If it did. There wouldn’t be women being buried every year from domestic abuse. Not all of those women stupid or poor with no place to go. Some of them even come from money and are brilliant in every other aspect of their life but one.

MollyMcGuire's avatar

@Pandora Hillary took extraordinary steps to protect Bill. There is plenty to read about that. She wasn’t hurt. Not like perhaps you or I would be. She and Bill are together because together they are very powerful and very wealthy. If she didn’t need Bill she would have already had him erased.

JLeslie's avatar

^^You think she wasn’t hurt? I would bet that at least in the early years she was very hurt. I don’t know if they have a deal at this point as a power couple, it’s very possible, but I think there was plenty of hurt in their marriage.

I don’t believe it’s just power though. They have a tremendous amount of experiences they have gone through together. They raised a child, their careers, travel, moving states, all those things bond a couple. They are together, at least partly, probably, because they have been together. That’s what happens over time, your spouse is family, you just are a couple. A unit. I don’t see why anyone thinks that’s a less valid marriage. Couple all around over time evolve. Mostly, hopefully, they support each other in their individual goals. Help each other with what they want in life.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@MollyMcGuire

Nonsense. Taking your assumption on face value, even if that were true at one point it time it certainly isn’t true now. Hillary doesn’t need Bill. Hasn’t in ages. If anything we see how he’s been a potential liability to her ambitions now. So why is Bill still around? Why hasn’t he been “erased”? Clearly there’s much more to their relationship than what you presume.

MollyMcGuire's avatar

@Darth_Algar I imagine there is more to the Clinton Mafia than I could even imagine.

Inspired_2write's avatar

I believe that his diversion was cast to draw away from him.
Thinking that if he were going down that he would take Clinton down with him too.

Pandora's avatar

@MollyMcGuire http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/11/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-bill-clinton-accusers/
Other than having a woman who claimed to have an affair with Bill for a number of years, investigated, the rest is conjecture. And one was a private statement made to a friend about Monica. Which Monica also does not claim rape. The others were suspicions and conjecture. If they had proof they would’ve taken it to court.

I once had a neighbor who lived above me and worked nights and his teenage son would have friends over and make noise all night long and throw lit cigarettes off the balcony. Well I complained to dad. The next day I had a dent on the top of my car. I was pretty sure it wasn’t their before. I had no proof. Just a sense that it was retaliation. I put in a complaint to the office and they sent a warning letter to them about throwing lit cigarettes out of the balcony. I mentioned the car but they couldn’t say anything about that because I had no proof. And rightly so. What if I was wrong? What if it was one of his friends and not my neighbor.
I remember during the Monica trials how many of my friends were upset that Bill should be tried for an affair. He had a lot of big time fans who bordered on fanatic. What if some of the people who harassed them where such fans? And no. I don’t see a firm handshake a threat. Maybe she really didn’t know anything about her and simply suspected her of having an affair with her husband. According to her account, she didn’t decide to accuse him till after the handshake.
I’m not saying these women are liars but I’m not saying they are telling the truth either since it may just be their interpretation.

But we are all going to believe what we believe. Sure it’s possible they are right. But I have no proof and neither do they.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@MollyMcGuire

Again, why hasn’t Bill been “erased”? She hardly needs him, and he’s more of a liability to her than anything.

MollyMcGuire's avatar

She needs him. He is running interference for her where there is trouble. He was indeed the bag man in that supposed accidental and surprise meeting with Lynch in Phoenix. He’s i n the background partly because she needs to appear strong, even though it seems that she isn’t healthy.

MollyMcGuire's avatar

I forgot to add that my statements are just my opinion based on what I’ve read…. not in the mainstream.

Darth_Algar's avatar

Oh good lord. It’s getting pretty hard to take you seriously.

JLeslie's avatar

@MollyMcGuire Are you married? I’m just curious.

Strauss's avatar

@LostInParadise What I find most annoying about Trump’s actions is that he has turned the presidential campaign into a clown show.

The presidential campaign has been well on its way to that since American Candidate in 2004. There were those that also said that the Republican debates of last cycle (2012) seemed to be handled more like a reality show than a presidential campaign. Now that we have a real reality star, why am I not surprised at that?

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