What do you think about fraudulent voting? See details.

Voter fraud is near zero in the US. Go ahead and look for any case of widespread fraud, you won’t find one.

The “voter fraud” laws pushed by Republicans are vote suppression laws designed to keep minorities from voting. It’s not a secret, and it’s not new.

Since the electoral college are the votes that matter, anyone who worries about or participates in voter fraud is delusional.

I have to show my voters registration card. It won’t happen here.

@Call_Me_Jay Maybe you didn’t read the details.

@JLeslie Surely one example from a Trump Pence supporter isn’t going to change your mind on what is statistically proven?

Nope, doesn’t change my mind, at all. Such instances are bound to be so rare as to be statistically insignificant.

I read the details.

Voter fraud is not a problem. Vote suppression is a problem.

Your story also illustrates that people are easily led to fear vote fraud with anecdotes about registration.

@janbb One example surely wouldn’t. My mind has not changed in this, look at old Q’s. I have always said I think ID is reasonable at a poll, and I believe in free government issues ID cards.

I’ve mentioned before my mom has heard of examples of other frauds. People voting as someone else. Also, I don’t think the states have a good way to cross check if someone is a citizen when they register to vote. My in laws just did the citizenship paperwork and one question they had to answer is if they have ever voted for president. I really do believe there is more fraud than the stats cited by democrats. I always have.

I also believe the Republucans started the crusade about voter fraud to prevent certain groups of democrats from voting, which I find horrible.

The two things aren’t mutually exclusive.

“Palm Beach County” called me yesterday to make sure I get out and vote for Hillary. I changed my voter’s registration this past Sunday. I don’t know if I am showing up in both places. I think most likely not since it’s within FL.

When I moved to TN I was called for jury duty in FL. I straightened that out, but over a year later I still showed up on the voter rolls in FL, even though I had registered to vote when I first moved to TN.

If someone wanted to vote twice they probably could. If they want to risk commuting a crime.

@Call_Me_Jay I’ll agree that my example is a registration problem. What I don’t understand is why anyone would think fraud numbers are accurate. Do you think all fraud is caught?

Let’s put ourselves in the bad-guy’s shoes:

You’re a Bad Guy, and you want to influence the outcome of an election.

You can a) establish residency in a new state, change your voter registration and vote in both places – gaining you a whole one extra vote that doesn’t even go into the same electoral pool as the first vote (essentially like buying two lottery tickets in two different states and thinking you’re doubling your chances for both), and hope you don’t get caught and arrested.

Or you can take half that amount of money and a hundredth of the hassle, and buy a radio ad that may actually influence other people to vote the way you want them to.

I mean, seriously.

@JLeslie I guess you haven’t read any of the stories about voter suppression and how hard they can make it for poor (mainly) black people to get to the places where they are issuing IDs even if they can figure out how to get to a polling place. Do you not know that this is an outgrowth of the voter suppression that took place during Jim Crow and later when blacks in the South were made to pass literacy tests and there were poll taxes?

@jleslie You are spreading the fear that something is a threat without any evidence. It’s the dishonest tactic made famous by Glen Beck – “I’m just asking questions!”

It happens about as often as food stamp recipients failing drug tests.

In other words, it is so rare that measures to block it from happening are nothing but oppressive tactics against people of color. There have been three documented attempts at voter fraud this election season. All three are Trump supporters.

@janbb I am absolutely very concerned about voter suppression.

@Seek in my example the one guy isn’t going to vote in two places. Another guy is going to vote under someone else’s name.

Voter fraud DOES exist and people DO win the lottery, but the statistical likelihood of either is so miniscule as to be irrelevant. The examples of polling errors, malfunctioning voting machines and outdated or erroneous registration data swamp fraud cases by orders of magnitude. The clearly transparent hyping of voter fraud as an excuse for voter suppression is successfully pimped at those eager for an explanation for their increasing misery. And once again, those apt to benefit from that misery are happy to divert attention from themselves. “Why are we you suffering? The Mexicans did it” It’s a pitiful and hopeless short term defense against the inevitable shifting in the country’s demographics aimed at those lacking the wit to parse the misdirection and eager for scapegoats. The tactic benefits considerably from the fact that the country is visibly dumbing down, but it is both frustrating and embarrassing to watch its application spread. All of us can dig through our memories and pull up an example of someone struck by lightning, but that shouldn’t panic a sensible man into refusing to drive in the rain.

I’m sure some exists, though surely not to the extent Terminator Trump claims, and equally sure that whatever amount there is has no appreciable effect on a national election.

Ok, so we require IDs in order to vote. Documents like IDs can be easily forged, so now what?

@JLeslie – That’s an even more ridiculous statement. Do you think some guy’s going to drive around from polling place to polling place, reading off one random name in each place, hoping the guy he names hasn’t already voted?

High risk, very very little reward, there.

The only fraud’s I see are, as usual, the politicians.

Under federal law, perpetrators convicted of voter fraud face up to five years in prison and a fine of $10,000 for each act of fraud. Additionally, there are State penalties: In Alabama, for instance, voter fraud is punishable by up to two years in prison and a $2,000 fine. In Wisconsin, the punishment is up to 3½ years in prison and a $10,000 fine.

No, I would not. Not only is it very much against my morality, but it’s also a stupid idea even for crooks, because it can be caught and the punishment would be huge.

I have yet to see a study that there is a significant issue with people voting multiple times using other people’s identities. So I think that requiring voter ID cards is just a way to try to put an obstacle in the way of less wealthy voters, and/or a way to increase the damnable tracking of everyone, which I consider an assault on personal liberty.

Besides, it appears that there are other “better” ways for the crooks to alter election results, especially because computerized devices are now used. I trust computerized voting machines less than I trust computer car drivers… that is, not at all.

Though I don’t think the corporations need to bother rigging this election, since all the candidates except Stein are pro-corporation. If they were concerned, they could simply have had their corporate news media take the reasons why they shouldn’t be candidates seriously.

Everywhere I’ve voted in the last 20 years has checked ID.

They screwed up, and I almost didn’t get to vote. I went in Friday to get a sample ballot and check my registration transferred ok. I said clearly I am not voting, don’t mark me as voting. I went back Saturday and the system said I voted already.

I talked to the woman in charge at that polling center, who is the same person I talked to Friday, and she got it straightened out. She had to call the person charge. She told me it all has to match. The card you fill out when you enter, and how many ballots have been filled out. I told her then Friday it didn’t match, because I didn’t fill out a card, but you have me filling out a ballot. Mind you I’m a registered democrat in a red county. It was a little nerve racking.

I wasn’t surprised they screwed it up. I knew not to check if my name was there. Part of the reason I went to early vote was in case something was screwed up.

You know you can check your registration status online, right? Takes like five seconds.

@Seek Great answer.
My state requires picture Id from a state or federal licensed agency. So any government card, drivers license, or picture ID from the DMV, or military card and although I don’t have to show my voter ID card, I have one as well. They also always play 20 questions. Where do you live and what is your date of birth and match my Drivers License to my what they have on their computer.

In Florida you show ID and they make you sign an electronic thingie to match your signature to your ID.

I think it’s overkill.

In California, we give our name and address, then sign in. No ID.

We are registered in the book and then just have to sign our name.

In CA, it’s as @zenvelo said, except that new voters have to provide ID.

I have to show my driver’s license. Your friend’s friend couldn’t get away with voting as someone else if he had to show his driver’s license.

Here in Illinois we just have to state our name, address then sign. No ID. I’ve lived in a few different voting precincts in the state and I suppose it’s possible that someone in one of my old precincts could be voting there under my name, but I dunno. Seems like a lot of risk for no tangible benefit.

I admit it felt a little weird to me to walk into the polling place, give my name, and be taken at false value. What if someone who disagrees with my politics voted in my place? But seeing the data on how rarely that happened eased my concerns, since I know voter ID laws disenfranchise far more people than they protect.

I solve any potential worry by voting early. If I’m there at 7 AM when the early voting polls open, and someone decides to use my name, may their chosen deities help them.

FWIW, the photo ID law wasn’t in effect in 2012. It’s brand new.

omg so many typos in my post. Forgive, I’m seeing double from pain killers.

You have a pass. What’s the fun in a hospital stay if you can’t say crazy things and blame it on the percocet?

@Mariah Seek is right. You can run roughshod all over Fluther now and chalk it up to the meds! :-)

Fuck yea….:P

Here in the suburbs of Chicago we have to give name and address that is then cross checked against a voter registration record. Even with my voter registration ID…they still cross check.

@Seek I know. I was just there picking up a sample ballot and thought to ask in the moment.

When I voted in TN I was carded. I moved there in 2005, so whatever was the first voting opportunity after I moved there.

You vote 7am first day of early voting day?

@Cruiser My drivers license doesn’t match my voter’s registration address. Would they hassle me to vote where you live?

@JLeslie You do not specify which ID has your current address. If there is confusion at the voting place, you are still entitled to cast a provisional ballot.

Yes, when I can. I dislike lines, and my regular polling place us a church, which i find distasteful. My early voting location is a library.

This time I had to wait for the first Wednesday because of my work schedule.

@Cruiser My license has my old address, the voter roll has my current address.

I just moved. My new license is in the mail.

@JLeslie

Your driver’s license would be of no import here. They do not ask for any form of ID in Illinois. They ask you to state your name and address and they check what’s on the voter registration rolls to confirm. I’ve voted in every election since 1996, all in the state of Illinois, and I’ve never once been asked to show any ID, not even my voter’s registration card.

@Darth_Algar Well, where I live they do check ID, but it doesn’t matter that my address doesn’t match. They aren’t checking my address.

I was asking @Cruiser, because he indicated it would matter where he lives, but I wanted to see if I understood him correctly.

I can’t see why an address match would be necessary. My husband worried about it when we were driving over to the polls, and I told him to stop worrying it didn’t matter. It seemed obvious to me. I almost turned around so he could get his passport and stop worrying, but the worry really wasn’t that bad, he was just questioning it. I guess some idiot poll worker could try to give someone a hard time over it.

I’d be curious to know the stats regarding who and how many aren’t voting because ID is required. I would think if someone doesn’t have an ID they can call their local democratic or republucans and get help with that before the elections.

@JLeslie I just voted and I did not need any ID…signed a voter slip went to the next station where they said I already had a mail-in ballot. My son and I have the same name, I signed SR. by my name and they persisted that SR has already been issued a mail in ballot. I explained my son goes to school 250 miles away in another state…and I verified my DOB. No ne ever asked to see an ID or voter ID card. They eventually let me vote.

@Cruiser I had misunderstood what you said earlier.

@JLeslie “I was asking @Cruiser, because he indicated it would matter where he lives, but I wanted to see if I understood him correctly.”

He and I live in the same state. Same metropolitan area even.

@Darth_Algar I follow ex Congressman Joe Walsh on twitter and he tweeted that he was not asked for an ID when he went to vote today and he showed his ID anyway…and they laughed at him!