Rickisgirl – clearly layyla knows about this place, she’s referenced it and has had a post removed, but I’m not so sure she’s following this thread. Because would she be able to resist coming on and defending herself?
If she were reading it, all I’d have to say is she’d do well to heed my advice, you know the advice I gave that made her react in such a hostile manner. I don’t think she crossed the line as I understand the line, but she came damn close.
I was really trying to stay as impartial as possible. Though I was openly critical of her both here and on Askville for her threatened lawsuit, her pettiness over people calling her by her old name, and the fact that when it’s 16 people against 1, usually that means the 1 is the problem and not the 16. I may have mentioned that I’d heard allegations of coin gaming, use of multiple accounts, and threats delivered via PM by surrogates and that I generally believe in the credibility of the sources who mentioned them. But I had personally never had a run in with her, and as I’d never been on the toe cleavage board or in any of the discussions which led to the flame wars, I always made a clear attempt not to speculate.
So, let’s just say she had one strike against her in my mind, but I’ve encountered people who had a strike against them who went on to become friends. I was not about to wholly take everyone else’s side…it takes 2 to tango after all, and I was openly critical of those who didn’t rise above it as well. But my criticisms of those of you who didn’t rise above it and just walk away were very well received, in part because I also assess some of the blame squarely on Askville’s shoulders, and no need to rehash my criticisms, you know what they all are.
So above all, I’ve tried to be fair, and where I’ve directly addressed Askville about this or directly addressed the AV16, my criticisms have been well received and considered, the responses have been reasonable and never angry or hostile. The only person I hadn’t directly addressed was layyla herself, and certainly I didn’t think it fair that I was spreading my impressions about her without addressing her directly. So, my post was a direct attempt to show that hey, though we know there’s plenty of fault to go around…we know how the others could have avoided the problems and we know how Askville could have avoided the problems, and here is how she herself could have avoided some of the problems that I witnessed first hand. And I made every attempt to explain that I was talking about what I saw, from my perspective, and how certain actions can come off, as it all related to one issue in which I was involved in the discussions.
Unlike when I brought my criticisms forth to all the other parties, I was summarily dismissed, insulted and belittled. It came across to me that here’s a person whose tone indicates that she feels she is the authority on the topic and no one else should be entitled to an opinion. Further, her “who are you” combined with her “I’ve said all I have to say” was clearly baiting…I did not take the bait. She basically resorted to the oldest politician trick in the world…take the low road to smear someone, then call your opponent out to take the high road. It was pretty much an “I’m going to have my say, but nothing you have to say will matter” attitude.
So, that was strike two to me, and I thought, well, I understand the sensitivity of the issue and all, but how much of this is really sensitivity to this issue and how much is a proclivity to just essentially being a bitch, pardon my French. So, having heard about the infamous toe cleaveage board, I went over and read the comments. I was surprised with how quickly the tone of the board disintigrated, how layyla was the clear catalyst and how she kept resurrecting the board, then accusing others of stirring the pot by posting to it.
It became clear to me that we’re dealing with a severely mentally damaged individual. Not only is she clearly narcissistic, there are probably a dozen posts in that board alone where she blows sunshine up her own ass, but she seems paranoid (everyone was out to get her) delusional (flippy was obsessed and in love with her) and schizophrenic (going from one extreme to the next in a matter of posts). She could never let it go, she always had the last word, and it was ALWAYS someone else’s fault. Blame and fault were huge themes running through her posts, and never once did she allow the finger to be pointed at her for ANYTHING…she couldn’t give an inch. It’s like she could say the sky was green, and no matter if a million people called her on it, they were all crazy, not her.
Then she just became childish. She had to respond to EVERY single post, and in every response there was an attack. The attacks became very personal and insulting at times. And the repeated troll…troll…troll, it was like someone plugging their ears…lalalala, I can’t HEAR you!
And the worst part was clearly she held a grudge. The whole thing with Melia(?) was ridiculous, she wouldn’t accept her explanation for something she shouldn’t have had to explained in the first place. And then to get so bent out of shape about the fat joke that was never a joke, never meant to be a joke, and which no sane fat person would find offensive anyway (even fat people can understand the mental image of someone with overflowing cankles trying to squeeze into too tight shoes being different from just anyone trying to squeeze into too tight shoes), and then to in the act of supposedly defending fat people, make an ignorant blanket comment that says “all fat people hate themselves”? Jesus jumping Christ on a stick!
In other words, she went from 1 strike to about 17 in my book. So yeah, I hope she’s reading this too. Because I had no real personal beef with her. I’m considered far and wide in Askville to be one of the most objective and fair people on the board. I give everyone numerous chances and try to see all sides of the story. And even I think she’s off her rocker. She’s an immature, narcisistic, vindictive, self important piece of human trash with a God complex.
So, if she’s reading this, I hope these words get through to her and she takes a good, long look in the mirror. But I know better…I know somehow everything would become my fault. Now at least if she is reading, we’ll know, because there’s no way she could let this go unanswered.