Is there a person you think receives undeserved hate?
Asked by
Sneki95 (
7017
)
November 26th, 2016
Someone who is really hated and unpopular, but you feel people hate them more than they really deserve?
Observing members:
0
Composing members:
0
53 Answers
Hillary Clinton. I can well understand not liking her but the absolute villification from many on the right and especially some on the left seemed excessive to me.
One of my idols, Amanda Palmer, received a ton of hate right after the Boston Marathon bombing (and she’s from Boston) because she wrote a poem from the point of view of one of the bombers attempting to imagine what was in his head at that time. People didn’t like her empathizing with him. She believes in trying to empathize with and understand the humanity in everybody, no matter how vile. I don’t think that mindset could ever do harm. I’m trying to learn to do it too. I think we should understand what spurs the hatred in somebody so strongly that they resort to violence.
Obama has to be on the list.
Too many people hate (or at list villify) him because he’s smart, well-spoken, and black.
That combination make a lot of people jealous.
^^I agree Obama does not deserve the hate he got but @janbb, Hillary totally does. Some of it directed her way was a little over the top but I never understood why so many got right behind her. I find that harder to understand than the people who actually wanted to vote for Trump. If there is any silver lining to this election it is that she will now fade away into obscurity.
Linsey Lohan.
Hillary Clinton.
Obama.
Relatives who made some missteps, but nothing worth hating and cutting them off. This varies for each of us.
The average person who supported Trump.
The average person who supported Hillary.
The people who voted for Jill Stein.
So much f**king hate around it’s horrible.
Kim Kardashian.
Nearly everyone, for one reason or another.
@JLeslie I agree on the voters. People a re going black and white on that.
@rem1981 Your questions are often perceived as offensive. Maybe you should try wording them a bit differently.
@Berserker Boy are you right on that…
@Mariah People hate people with sympathy, sadly.
@elbanditoroso Didn’t know people hated Obama.
I never understood why so many people bad mouthed Michael Moore. He’s pretty brilliant in my book.
@ARE_you_kidding_me why does it not surprise me that you’ve declined to explain your reasoning.
Sinead O’Connor was vilified for tearing up a picture of the pope and speaking out against child abuse in the Catholic Church.
^^ now that you mention it, the Catholic Church gets an absurd level of hatred and vilification, particularly in Protestant and Anglican countries. There have been many cases of child abuse in the Anglican church, in all the other christian denominations and even in orthodox judaism, but nobody ever hears much about them.
The CC makes for a great vilain, eg in Dan Brown’s books. The accusations levelled against Pius 12 the war pope are seemingly totally loopsided and stem from anti-catholic bigotry.
^ Not to mention the “Vatican is ruling the world” conspiracy theory. Catholicism isn’t popular among Eastern Orthodox Christians either (Eastern Europe).
I agree about the Catholic Church being unfairly hated. I also think that about the Mormon religion.
Certain mormon sects deserve more though.
^^Absolutely. That’s true with every religion.
It is not that the catholic church is hated too much, it is that other religions are not getting enough hate.
The Catholic Church deserves every bit of hate that it gets, if you take into account the last 1000 years.
They were the Taliban or the ISIS of their time. Remember the Crusades?
The Catholic Church is evil and certainly deserves the hate it receives. Only an evil organization full of evil people would preach against the use of condoms, leading directly to the spread of HIV in Africa and the deaths of millions of people.
Fuck the Catholic Church.
One thing I don’t understand about the Catholic Church is they’re constantly crying for money and yet they have more money and are the largest real estate holder or one of the largest, in the world. There’s an order of nuns here near where I live and they had no heat for the winter. They had to take up a Go Fund Me or something to get heat for the convent. They are elderly ladies and I don’t get the church not supporting them. I thought that was the deal when you became a nun or priest – you got supported in return.
I also don’t get it about Hillary. I can see not liking a politician but I don’t see why people hate her so. and now is Trump any better?
“Fuck the Catholic Church”.
And use a condom!
Otherwise, you could contract pedophilia and create more Catholic Churches. ;-)
I have to say I have gotten a more nuanced version of the Catholic Church in recent years. There is much to deplore but also some to admire particularly in the Catholic worker movement led by such people as Dorothy Day. And many Catholics are more liberal and socially conscious because of their faith.
@jca This is exactly what I am talking about: the fantasy that the CC somehow “owns the world” or “is the largest landowner in the world”. The Catholic Church owns very little and very useless land. Each diocese is its own independent landowner, for one (eg St Patrick in NYC is owned by the archdiocese of New York, not by the Vatican) and for two, the bulk of the land these dioceses own is made up of cemetaries and churches…
The idea is a pure canard. Worse, it is well in “elders of zion” territory: an outright lie spread as a mean to hurt.
@elbanditoroso
They were the Taliban or the ISIS of their time. Remember the Crusades?
Oh please. Could you possibly factor in all the good things they also did. They educated Europe and the Americas, were patrons of the arts, protected the Jews against countless persecutions in Spain, England and France, while in Germany Luther was calling for their mass murder or deportation, etc. Even today in certain countries of Africa or Latin America they represents a real hope; they do help a lot and in a very driven way.
I didn’t see ISIS do any of that, sir.
@olivier5 Actually, I’m pretty sure ISIS does things for their followers and that’s partly why they are loyal. It’s not just religious fanaticism.
@olivier5 , please. For every Jew they protected in Spain, they killed a dozen more. And the ones they didn’t kill they forced to convert to Christianity.
Hey, if I am a target because my people didn’t buy into Christianity 2000 years ago, I’ll keep thinking about the Crusades.
And let’s not forget that the Pope (and European Catholicism) was largely in bed with Hitler.
Lots of Jews here in the collective. Hard for us to let go of being forced to convert, leave our homes and country, or be put to death. As much as there is positive things I feel about the Catholics now, the history still exists.
The Catholic church literally killed every Muslim physician they came across and set back medical science over 200 years.
That alone makes them responsible for an untold number of deaths.
@olivier5 all the good things the Catholic Church has done does not make up for the evil it’s committed and the untold millions upon millions of people it’s killed or maimed in the name of God.
I would just say most of the Abrahamic religions have done some really crappy things. I like to think the Jews have been the least offensive to other religions, but maybe that’s my bias, or just that we are so small in numbers we couldn’t do much damage. Certainly, our policy of not trying to convert people kept us from feeling empowered to kill people just because they were a different religion. That whole conversion thing and feeling like only your way is the way to God can be a really bad thing.
I guess some people think Jews are awful to the Palestinians.
“I would just say most of the Abrahamic religions have done some really crappy things. I like to think the Jews have been the least offensive to other religions, but maybe that’s my bias, or just that we are so small in numbers we could do much damage.”
That’s my impression too, and I don’t think you’re being biased.
Perhaps Jews are so small in number, because they don’t have a practice of trying to convert or otherwise force their religion on others.
@Brian1946 Oh, I think for sure not converting people is partly why our numbers are so small. My dad says jokingly it was one of our mistakes. Then add in we have been killed off throughout history. Population growth is slow when you are a small number of people. Just looking at the Holocaust they killed ⅓ of us, and only in the last few years we are back to pre-holocaust numbers. “They” keep doing that to the Jews throughout history.
“Never again” hopefully.
I’m often stunned that anyone target Jews as a real problem. We are such a small number in all countries as a percentage of the total population except Israel.
Yes, now that the Jews have temporal powers, a state, an army, they do all sorts of crap to other people. That was Einstein’s fear. Power corrupts.
The Catholic KINGS killed and forced Jews to convert the in Spain in the wake of the reconquista, not the Catholic CHURCH. In fact the Pope Alexander II tried his his best to protect the Jews, including from forced conversion:
In 1065, Pope Alexander II wrote to Béranger, Viscount of Narbonne, and to Guifred, bishop of the city, praising them for having prevented the massacre of the Jews in their district, and reminding them that God does not approve of the shedding of blood. That same year, he admonished Landulf VI of Benevento “that the conversion of Jews is not to be obtained by force.” [...] Alexander II issued orders to the Bishops of Narbonne, instructing crusaders en route “that you protect the Jews who live among you, so that they may not be killed by those who are setting out for Spain against the Saracens… for the situation of the Jews is greatly different from that of the Saracens. One may justly fight against those [the Saracens] who persecute Christians and drive them from their towns and their own homes.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Alexander_II
Among the thousands spanish Jews who then emigrated to avoid forced conversion, many came to stay in some papal state or another.
That’s also where the famous Soncino Talmud and the Hebrew Bible were first printed in the 15th century: in Soncino, Italy, then part of the papal states.
You guys are so full of hatred and ignorance. It’s downright scary.
^^Nope. No one is full of hatred. Interesting historical information, I’ll look into that. You are only looking at the negatives said about the Catholics, I personally say positive things about Catholics all the time, you can find my posts all over fluther. The Catholics I know are accepting of other religions, in favor of the separation of church and state, interested in science, and I could go on and on.
I guess from what you wrote the people killing people were just doing their evil deeds in the “name of” their religion. I think that goes back to all (or almost all) religions have examples of where people used religion to do horrible things.
^^ I do see on this thread a pretty high level of historical misinformation, if not downright revisionism. It looks like “the protocols of the elders of Rome”, a metaphor you should be able to relate to… you know, the global organisation, owning the world, causing the deaths of hundreds of millions and the holocaust, just for greed and power… sigh…
Wake up people. You live in historical lah-lah land.
I’m not saying the CC never did anything wrong. Of course they did a lot of shyte and still do. But they are not responsible for all the murders that were done in the name of their religion, not anymore than Islam as a religion is responsible for all the murders done in its name.
And i am an atheist, mind you, but this fixation of Americans and Brits on the “papists” is downright anoying. And this sort of anti-catholic hatred is not innocuous; it did historically kill people. Check the sack of Rome in 1527.
Thank you, @janbb. I appreciate your nuanced approach. I didn’t mean to say that ALL Brits and Americans are anti-catholic biggots. It’s just that it’s stronger in these countries than elsewhere. Lot’s of people there see it as “obvious” that the CC deserves far more hatred than say the Lutherian or the Baptists or whatever. I find this annoying and yes, biggoted.
Well, my MIL is a very devout Catholic, my husband was raised Catholic, my closest most important friends are all Catholic, and I only have good things to say about all people named and how they perceive, interpret, and practice their religion.
When I became engaged to my husband it was knowing that possibly my children would identify more with his religion and I was ok with it. He decided to convert, but that’s a separate issue. At the time I had zero idea he would convert, and I never expected him to.
In the end, even if my historical data is incorrect, it has nothing to do with today. The same as I don’t care if someone is the grandchild of a murdering Nazi.
@JLeslie , thanks for your very good points, including the fact that the CC and catholics tend to be pro-science. Francis’ recent message about global warming (laudato si) is an example of social and scientific responsibility by the pope.
Pope Francis contradicts himself and misleads his followers when he speaks out against global warming but says that it’s selfish not to have children, when overpopulation is a major cause of environmental degradation.
Overpopulation is a myth
[grabs popcorn]
Show me an organization that harbors as many child abusers as the Catholic Church does and I will direct my hatred toward it too.
I agree with @janbb‘s perspective.
In retrospect, if I was eligible to vote in the US 1960 general election, I would have voted for the Catholic and not the Quaker.
Overpopulation is a significant issue in Asia, where there are very few catholics, and in a few African country prone to drought eg Niger (Muslim) or Ethiopia (Ethiopian Orthodox + Muslims). The problem does not map well against catholic areas.
Anyway, back to the OP question:
Edward Snowden
All the Abrahamic religions in their strictest form promote making more babies.
Answer this question 
