As Fluther moves through 2017 will there be less or more insulting, badgering, and backbiting than 2016?

How can anyone answer that @H_C?

@Earthbound_Misfit: Watch and learn. ;-)

Yes, there will.

It’s a place on the internet with an audience and with anonymity. I refer you to John Gabriels greater internet fuck wad theory.

Although having said that Fluther is generally a lot more civil than most other places on the net. Assuming the question isn’t about politics, religion, gun control, healthcare, relationship advice, mathematics, immigration, science, evolution, medical advice, ....

Trump ushered in the New Age of Divisiveness and Incivility and it’s evident everywhere—on TV, in news stories, on the road, and—certainly!—on social media, which allows haters to insult and berate and spread lies cowardly behind avatars.

So yes, I believe there will be increased incivility on Fluther and other such social sites—at least, no decline of it. The barn door is wide open.

Still waiting for the question…... (still on the cereal box and not asking questions, but lecturing.)

^ Read carefully, the question is there…..less i have to use the term I don’t like dumb it down, but then I would be wrong to say it when the question is so simple it can be hit with a grape at 300 yards.

See, there is that cereal box again.

So, you are saying you cannot understand the question or you simply do not like the question? If you can’t follow the question I would be happy to make it simpler for you, so can you understand the question or do i have to break it down more, it is simple as that, really.

I’m saying, you pose something, then answer it yourself and/or add pre-imposed suppositions upon it as to set any opposing answer or comment up to be knocked down immediately and told, ‘didn’t you even read the question?’ So, no, you ask questions and then set them up so there is no arguing with you because you already state how you feel about any opposing position. There is no point saying anything other than, ‘What ever you say.’ or ‘You pose an argument that no rational person would answer.’ Brick walls hurt when you keep banging your head on them. Bricks are also used as a reference to other things.

@cazzie I’m saying, you pose something, then answer it yourself…]
If I had answered it myself, I would have said it was sure to double or triple in 2017, but where did you hear me say that, please point it out.

There is no point saying anything other than, ‘What ever you say.’ or ‘You pose an argument that no rational person would answer.’
I said I know what some will think because you know as well as I do that some believe Fluther to have no bad traits and to say such is like insulting their mother, you do know that, right? And if you did not think there was a valid answer or one you could give, why even bother to stop? You could have moved on to the next prom date question, dream question or something else. Do you stop and eat in restaurants you know has food you don’t like? If it cost you money to answer questions would you seriously waste time on my alleged ”non-question” as thought by you? I hardly think so. Still the question was not answered, can you or can’t you follow the question or understand it? I will clarify, I would not want to not to be able to get it.

Well, sometimes, I pick up trash other people have carelessly dropped.

^ Well, let’s get back to the question at hand, nice and simple:

1. Do you believe insulting, backbiting, maligning, etc. happens here on Fluther, even if some microscopic way?
2. If it does, will it increase, decrease, or remain the same the rest of this year?

I do not think I can get any simpler than that. You have answers or you never intended to pose one?

There aren’t that many who are predictable here on Fluther. You are, but other’s aren’t. I’m going to predict that you continue your condescending, holier-than-thou attitude and use this forum to continue to try to preach your version of deity worship to anyone who will listen. I will continue to point out logical flaws (but never expect you to understand or accept them, they will be for the benefit of others reading the thread, based on your past, predictable behaviour) and factual errors (again, not for you, but others) and I will bring the argument to you when needs be. I think many of your arguments are mislead and flawed and I will continue to defend logic and science when intolerance and absolutes backed by myths and Dark Ages arguments are presented.
I will argue against beliefs, not persons, unless they are persons in positions of power, or when I know the person well enough to know the personality they represent here on Fluther (which may not even by the person they are in RL). I will voice opinions about things, and I expect others to do so, as well, so we get to know each other.
Some here think a dissenting idea or opinion about an idea is being petty or backstabbing or insulting. I think those people should move to Twitter. I think they will be in better company there.

Remain the same all because the core membership will change very little. The archives of Fluther are littered with avatars of really fun cool Jellies who left because of the cliquish bullshit that defines Fluther. If you even attempted to have fun or buck the system as many have tired, they were ridden out of town on a rail.

@cazzie I disagree, I think most Jellies here are very predictable.

@Cruiser Oh, some are very predictable, but I would not go so far as to say most. You surprise.

@cazzie There aren’t that many who are predictable here on Fluther.
Speculation and conjecture, certainly not anything you can prove because we are not allowed to vote on such matter.

You are, but other’s aren’t. I’m going to predict that you continue your condescending, holier-than-thou attitude and use this forum to continue to try to preach your version of deity worship to anyone who will listen.
That again, conjecture, neither one of us is holier than the next, some just strive for it more. I voice opinions at times of what I believe, some have a problem with it, but I guess if I had a boyfriend and posted pics to the Fluther Facebook page of us walking hand in hand on the Champs-Élysées you and some others would have not a word against it, but respecter of person hardly know when they do it.

I will continue to point out logical flaws…]
Hard to point out something that isn’t there, but if you manufacture it in your mind…..

I will argue against beliefs,…]
There was no argument, but a question you refuse to answer, I guess because there is no way to put a positive spin on it short of lying?

[… or when I know the person well enough to know the personality they represent here on Fluther..]
Back you conjecture again?

I suppose if we could look over all your Fluther post, you don’t answer questions you just show up to give opinions? Really, there was a question, and there were only a few answers, if you did not want to answer the question, for the sake of educating people who would come after, why stop and bother, if some should move on to Twitter because of whatever, should not some ignore questions they don’t like and move on to other things as well, why give advice one will not take for themselves?

You are so right. You are always right. Everything else is sad and over rated. There is nothing else to add because you cover everything and are right. You have the Holiest of holy power on your side and there can never be any doubt about your beliefs or intention.

It depends on you, of course.

OK, @Hypocrisy_Central, real answer. As evidenced above, you are indeed targeted, but to be fair, you don’t often accept even the good faith, well-meant answers to your questions.
I don’t think you will see Fluther get worse or better in 2017, it will be whatever we all make it for ourselves. I’ll make a deal with you. How about you try to be less knee-jerk reactive to my posts if I make an honest effort to be less knee-jerk reactive to yours? It’s a start, anyway.

@canidmajor OK, @Hypocrisy_Central, real answer. As evidenced above, you are indeed targeted, but to be fair, you don’t often accept even the good faith, well-meant answers to your questions.
If I were the only one, but I am not, some others have their own nemesis, sure, I have mine and I have told some who they are, the proof is in the pudding, one has to look at all my post and see who is there not to answer anything but for scorn and rebuke, usually the small but same posse. However, is that not a conversation? Someone says something, if I think or feel they are incorrect I ask them to straighten out what they said, or present a view that shows their position is not all-inclusive as they think. Who here accepts the opposing view without question? If that happened many here would be sitting in a pew on Sunday and devoting much hour to prayer every day, but they don’t. If there is any validity to it, I say so, even in part. If it is done in a respectful manner as some do, one of whom has ”grim” in his moniker, then we can speak quite agreeably even when we do not agree.

I’ll make a deal with you. How about you try to be less knee-jerk reactive to my posts if I make an honest effort to be less knee-jerk reactive to yours? It’s a start, anyway.
I will make that deal with you, when I see your future post I will digest it longer to see what it is you are really saying because I try not to knee jerk on anything, but I will react to things that are disrespectful to the Lord, I get disrespected all of the time, and that counts to nothing as I have not created any of you.

Meh, don’t care. I don’t see anything or anyone changing so I’m not going to waste time with petty internet arguments.

Still have those fishing poles HC? :)

^ Still have those fishing poles HC? :)
Yes, as a matter of fact. Was going to post them on Offerup with the tent to see if I could unload them in a package deal. The way things are starting out here, i may go fishing; and i hate fishing. ;)

More FLUFF just starting now !

Oh, that didn’t answer the OP Q’s . . . .

More Fluff.

No, there will not.

Probably more or less the same as always I guess. Basing this on the fact that since I’ve been here, Fluther has always been what it is, not reason for it to change just because tis’ a new year. The only difference I have seen since being here in 2008 was the decline in members and activity, that alone might make it seem like we have more strife and such than we used to.

I’m not on a lot of social sites (and I’m aware that according to one of the past mods, “Fluther is not a social networking site”) but from what I see, Fluther is not that bad.

I think on Fluther, it’s that we pretty much know each other so well (internet-wise) and so it’s strong personalities and intelligent people and that can be a volatile mixture. Kind of like a dysfunctional family LOL.

I believe YOU will perceive yourself victim of the insults listed. As to whether such events will increase or diminish in comparison to previous years, the answer must vary with the effort you put into generating them along with the degree to which you perceive yourself persecuted. In view of this, who can possibly predict such a thing?

Apparently we still have members who can’t seem to be civil to newbies.

@stanleybmanly I believe YOU will perceive yourself victim of the insults listed.
Are you reading the same question? Where did I say me? I have seen other maligned in a say I would say were insulting or bullying, some have even left, some who came back have even posted that is why the left in the first place. I know you would hate your shrine of Fluther to be anything but some utopia but if falls far short of that, sorry to tell you….OK, not too sorry.

@Hypocrisy_Central You ALWAYS mean you. And you complain all the time about being picked on and bullied and are the victim of vendettas against Christians. You can’t seem to understand that it isn’t the fact you are Christian that you are often at the other end of criticism, but it is because of your very unchristian characteristics like hubris (that means prideful), condescension, misogyny, love of human praise (in fact you often get quite shirty when you don’t get it, I remember your rant about ‘lurve’.) and anger.

Maybe taking up fishing might allow you to explore a more Christian path. Self sufficiency, hard work and patience… and gratefulness.

@cazzie You ALWAYS mean you.
If you are so clairvoyant to know what I mean or what I am thinking, what am I thinking now? Never mind, you might think it unchristian-like ~~ LOL

And you complain all the time about being picked on and bullied and are the victim of vendettas against Christians.
If I felt picked on and bullied like some others, I would be gone like them, I just point out when I feel I have been insulted because no one here wants me insulting them, and even when they thought I did, and I did not, they cried to the mods, why not address them?

[…but it is because of your very unchristian characteristics like hubris (that means prideful), condescension, misogyny, love of human praise…]
You do live in opinion and conjecture don’t you?

Maybe taking up fishing might allow you to explore a more Christian path.
You would have to know a Christian path to know if I were on it, otherwise it is like a vacuum repairman trying to tell a certified mechanic how to do a head job on a Vortex V8 engine.

Again, you are holier than anyone and know Christianity so much better than the rest of us, of course, your holiness. I think you should change your user name to Pope Hypocrisy.

This is like asking if I’ll stop beating my wife.

Well, this went way too south, way too fast.

right @canidmajor Jellies never learn that as long as they reply so will he!

Or she.

@Hypocrisy_Central: Vacuum repairman comment made me laugh out loud!

@jca they know what sucks, right? It was ‘head job’ that made me smile.

@cazzie Again, you are holier than anyone and know Christianity so much better than the rest of us, of course, your holiness.
How would you know? You tell me what is holy according to the Bible? I cannot make you correct when you aren’t. I can make an apple blue simply because you don’t like the color red, it is what color it is. If you know so much about the Bible you sure have been hiding it over the years, please do share.

@canidmajor Well, this went way too south, way too fast.
It can go back north in a hurry if people drag their soapbox back home and quit adding validity to the question.

@Hypocrisy_Central You keep telling all of us how holy you are and how close your beliefs make you to your god and that THAT god is the only and one god and any other gods or beliefs are the devil. And if you think you haven’t explained all this well enough by now, what sort of Soldier of Christ are you?

@canidmajor Don’t buy in to the ‘soapbox’ metaphor’. It is a Cereal Box, in that it gets visited over and over again, ad nauseam. Soap makes things clean and clear. Serial is a perpetuation of the shit that permeates the environment.

@cazzie, I don’t think you meant to direct that to me.

@cazzie You keep telling all of us how holy you are and how close your beliefs make you to your god and that THAT god is the only and one god and any other gods or beliefs are the devil.
I do not have a god, I have not created any deities, you do not have to believe God is God, believe whatever you wish. IF you were right all along, I and no one else will ever know it, IF I am right, you and everyone else WILL know it, so let’s shelve it until we die and see if anyone knows they are dead, if they do, well, you can’t argue that.

Don’t buy in to the ‘soapbox’ metaphor’. It is a Cereal Box, in that it gets visited over and over again, ad nauseam.
You are complaining when you came here not to answer a question but to make flimflam comments? Why did you come on this thread if you were not going to answer the question, that is the question?

In the main, I believe the insults, badgering and backbiting at fluther to be very much the exception as opposed to the rule. That being said, there are of course specific individuals with a knack for stirring things up. You have that “gift”, and as this thread demonstrates, you can remain assured of being dependably rewarded for your talents.

^ That being said, there are of course specific individuals with a knack for stirring things up.
If I talk about Twinkies, bowling balls, a stale loaf of French bread, or whatever, and someone gets bent, is that on me or them? They decide what they want to get moved by, I did not make them do it.

@stanley. Does HC have that gift or do some people not know how to ignore him? I can tell you exactly who will be on a thread of his telling him what an awful person he is. I can count them on one hand. Is this his issue or theirs?

@jonsblond For you to say this would mean that Jellies are highly predictable in what they say here

@Hypocrisy_Central “If I talk about Twinkies, bowling balls, a stale loaf of French bread, or whatever, and someone gets bent, is that on me or them? They decide what they want to get moved by, I did not make them do it.”

Look, there is a difference between asking a question about Twinkies, and insulting the community at large, and you know it. You have found exactly what you sought by asking this question. And you knew that would happen, because you have done exactly the same thing countless times. How is that not as tedious for you as it is for us? You are capable of asking interesting questions; go to it.

I’m not sure why this question has not been removed as flame-bait.

we are not forced to answer what we don’t like

If HC was doing anything wrong he would have been banned years ago.

@jonsblond I have never suggested that HC be banned, nor do I think he should be. People don’t get banned from Fluther for everything they “do wrong”.

Trump… Peaches and cream… Or prepare for a epic shit-show.

@dappled_leaves _Look, there is a difference between asking a question about Twinkies, and insulting the community at large, and you know it. _
If I said something about Twinkies no matter what I said some would make it about me slamming fat people, or some other windmill chasing thing. If I went around insulting people as they have me, then there would be a difference. If someone ignores the context of the question because I did not drop bread crumbs right to the door and I have to ask them if they even seen the bread crumbs because it should not have been missed, then I am leading the question, giving no room for opinion, etc. If I leave it vague and people wonder off the path or fail to catch the context, and I correct them of the context, then I am changing their horse mid-stream. It is what it is, if the context was adhered to, and the question or comment germane to the question there would be no miscommunication and everything would go as smooth as butter.

And you knew that would happen, because you have done exactly the same thing countless times.
No, I was hoping some people would keep their soapboxes at home and let real answers through. If this is action is what I do countless times, and if you or anyone else comes to it who is that on? Was there a pistol to your head making you answer or comment? If you eat your lunch in the park and 18 days out of the month someone asks what the statue was in the midst of the park, if you told him 17 times can you truly be annoyed if you decide to answer the 18th time? You could have ignored him and finished your tuna sandwich or finished reading the paper. If you decide to play attention that is on you. If you think I rehash the same old junk, why do you keep coming to it if it irks you so much, is not Fluther more than questions of mine, is there someone stopping you from getting with the other questions? Just asking……

Now I am hungry for Twinkies.
It is a dumb time to go shopping for Twinkies.
Excuse me while I go fix a cheeseburger.
Play nice, ya’ll.

I remain convinced that there are people here who have little else to satisfy themseves with other than to spew out feigned vitriol over petty little differences on a teeny site lurking in a dark corner of the internet.
So yeah, fuel for their fire means it will always burn bright, pity the poor buggers.

@jonsblond I agree that it is up to us to determine whether or not to ignore HC. I also agree that it is preferable to ignore him rather than verbally
Insult him. But you would have a tough time finding anyone more adept at steering a conversation toward the insulting nature of his quaint and archaic views. The man will massage a pile of nonsense until frustrated and agitated readers cross the line labeling his views as crackpot misogyny into the forbidden zone of personal insult “YOU are a crackpot and a misogynist”. Watching this pattern repeated again and again, it’s laudable that HC rises so admirably to his monicker with these complaints of “why am I persecuted?” This very thread (and the question driving it) is nothing more than a continuation of “why am I treated so bad?” How’s that for hypocrisy?

Less than two weeks, and already two quesions from the same user complaing about other Fluther users and how they choose to use the site.

Seems he’s answered his own question.

@stanleybmanly But you would have a tough time finding anyone more adept at steering a conversation toward the insulting nature of his quaint and archaic views.
That is conjecture on your part, and some others, I am sure if one gleaned info across the world, some of the things you and others think would be considered debased, hedonistic, wanton, or downright evil; then again some might even be seen as brilliant. If the movie is too old for you and you want something modern, why keep coming to the art house theater seeing old classics and complaining they don’t have car chases, swearing, gratuitous sex scenes, and other things you want to see? It is not the only place in town to see a show.

The man will massage a pile of nonsense until frustrated and agitated readers cross the line labeling his views as crackpot misogyny into the forbidden zone of personal insult “YOU are a crackpot and a misogynist”.
More like they can’t debunk solid reasoning, run out of ammo, then try a nuclear option as a last ditch resort to get some points on the board.

Watching this pattern repeated again and again, it’s laudable that HC rises so admirably to his monicker with these complaints of “why am I persecuted?”
If you are watching over and over and allegedly know what the outcome would be you must love it or have a hard time finding the exit. I know whose house I am in and why I am not popular around here, but I would rather be in the penthouse where I am than….well…they have names for those places.

This very thread (and the question driving it) is nothing more than a continuation of “why am I treated so bad?”
Maybe that is your problem, you keep looking in my direction where you missed others who have been insulted, and maligned, look at how many great Jellies of the past who are no longer here? Not all retired, expired, quit to raise kids, got new jobs, off in Barbados sipping umbrella drinks, and the likes, some of those who are no longer here got ran off, know you don’t want to ever admit that, but I had conversations with some. Some even asked advice on how I have been able to stand against the onslaught, greater is He that is in me than he that is in Fluther.

@Seek Less than two weeks, and already two quesions from the same user complaing about other Fluther users and how they choose to use the site.
I do not know who that was, but by the latter comment, it wasn’t I or you’d have to check your glasses, as you misread something.

Seems he’s answered his own question.
No….if anything, this thread just proved what I asked in some small ways. Fluther was quite well at bashing each other because Trump beat Jezebel Hillary.

@Cruiser Very predictable. The five showed up. :)

^ Very predictable. The five showed up. :)
My count must be off, there are still two on my list that has not joined the party yet ~~ <knock on wood>

Yes here we are AGAIN. Now the fact that we are once again orbiting the same malignancy and will accomplish nothing by doing so is impossible to defend. I have no defense! It’s the time worn argument that the smelly diaper is not the problem. We’re the problem for choosing to comment on it. And while we’re about it, let me point out that the diaper’s assertion that my comment on its malodorous dominance is beyond mere conjecture. I defy stinky to suggest another more skilled than himself.

^^^^^ wet myself and still laughing.

^^ Yes here we are AGAIN.
Get off this ride and go back to the one that had the tickets from the start:
• 1. Do you believe insulting, backbiting, maligning, etc. happens here on Fluther, even if some microscopic way?
• 2. If it does, will it increase, decrease, or remain the same the rest of this year?

There, back to square on, that was basically it, don’t know what was so hard for people to understand.

Oh, its hell, pure hell, and that’s what makes it so wonderful!
I can be an asshole and you can love me or hate me for it and be honest ‘til your heart’s content. It is what makes Fluther, Fluther.

**Do you believe insulting, backbiting, maligning, etc. happens here on Fluther, even if some microscopic way?**

What is the quote? Let he without sin cast the first stone? (but I don’t get to quote anything from that philosophy according to the OP because I am not a ‘Christian’.)

Who here appreciates different things from several different cultures and philosophies without having to label yourself under just one umbrella? Who here identifies as a certain thing, but also can appreciate and recognise the value in other belief systems? And who here dislikes being dismissed because they don’t fit in any small frame of reference other people judge others upon?

This is why I speak up. He can call it insulting, badgering or back biting all he wants. I call it my brand of intolerance against intolerance.

This question was intolerant?

@jonsblond the poster is constantly intolerant of women in liberal societies, of secularism, of human rights…. People here know this about him.

I suspect, because they’re so predictable, that the tedious duo think i’m one of the five “ever presents” in his questions, what an exciting life they lead chatting pure shit in pm’s :D
I did a really quick check & found that i’ve participated in 5 of his last 40 or so questions & those without a single reference to him at all, probably didn’t even know who asked as is more often than not the case.

So either fuck all people answer these questions or a radical rethink of their clearly flawed logic needs to be put in place.
In closing though it has to be said, once again the question comes back to his eternal mantra of it’s all about me…now that is predictable.

^ I suspect, because they’re so predictable, that the tedious duo think i’m one of the five “ever presents” in his questions, what an exciting life they lead chatting pure shit in pm’s
Don’t flatter yourself; even if you were one why worry about it? And if you do not worry about it, why bring it up in any conversation? Do you just bring up other things in conversation that you don’t care about or that is not important, like the belt you are wearing, the cologne or aftershave you used, what method you used to brush your teach, etc.? If it were that insignificant for you I Am Sure it would never even see the light of day in any conversation.

In closing though it has to be said, once again the question comes back to his eternal mantra of it’s all about me…now that is predictable.
What is more predictable is people who come to comment on a thread of which they think is unimportant or logically flawed, makes about as much sense as going back to a restaurant again, and again, when there is nothing on the menu one likes and the food that is there is thought of as lousy; what keeps someone from going where they like?

Should I keep a tally on how many threads of mine you come on in 2017 and if you answered the question or deviated somewhere else? ~~~

As I mentioned, it’s important for some of us to pick up trash other people thoughtlessly leave in their wake.

@AnonymousAccount8 _ A gracious loser who lost by getting 3 million more votes than the “winner.”_
—If the DNC, their constituents, and other supporting liberals thought the system was flawed and did not like it, maybe they should have tried harder to change it, starting after Gore lost.—

@Lonelyheart807 I for one am tired of the fact that whenever anyone exercises their right to peacefully protest something (whether through boycotting or some other method), they are labeled as whiners, or it’s because of sour grapes.
What do you call it, being a gracious loser? I guess if we teach that in school if you can’t field a basketball team taller than 5’ 10” on average and you get beat in a tournament by a slightly less skillful team with an average height of 6’ 2” you should spit in their hand at the end of the game or simply storm back to the locker room without shaking their hand because the outcome did not come out the way you wanted and they were cheating by being tall enough to block most shots.

I am tired that people keep trying to slander those who voted for Trump as supporting racism, bigotry, misogyny, blah, blah, blah, on top of being gullible dupes. There is no provable fact Hillary would be any better for the nation than Trump. If you are so sure why don’t you bet my donuts to your real dollars that she will?

“There is no provable fact Hillary would be any better for the nation than Trump” True

” ...those who voted for Trump as supporting racism, bigotry, misogyny, blah, blah, blah, on top of being gullible dupes” Also true.