@Patty_Melt You wrote:
“Actually it probably predates even religon. When humans first stepped away from the ape branch of the primate tree, there was a tremendous bigotry born. Humans placed themselves superior, and even now that affects our daily behaviors.”
– There are degrees, though. There are humans who see themselves more as just one type of inhabitant of the earth. I wouldn’t mark so much the step from the ape branch (I think all larger predators have some notions of superiority – baboons, gorillas, lions, eagles…), but more to lords and kings of agricultural people. Pre-agricultural/kingly type human societies suvived far longer than agricultural humans have. Agriculture leads to dominating, controlling and owning the land, and wanting more and more, as opposed to living mainly off of what nature provides.
“Lust is a nature induced condition. We feel it, we want to satiate it, but it is primal, so we are ashamed of our own internal drive.”
“All religons I know of are spiteful of primal urges and behaviors. They have tried for centuries to purge the animal instincts from our race. Some of that is progressive, and some leaves us with bad side effects.”
– The lords/kings of agricultural people seem also to be more where you get more serious wars, though there are specific gods and goddesses whose people’s history speak of divides towards patriarchy and rejection of the divine feminine (see the goddess Inanna / Ishtar, goddess of war and sexual love) and our primal urges and behaviors (see the goddess (maybe NSFW) Lilith) and the Sumerian tale of Inanna and the Huluppu Tree, where the divine masculine (Gilgamesh) eradicates a serpent and Lilith from the Tree supposedly to rescue Innana, but this leads to the themes we’re talking about, with men using violence and suppressing our primal selves.
There are religions that aren’t so suppressive. Certainly the Hindu Kama Sutra is a well-known counter-example, and even though the ancient Greeks and Romans had patriarchal heads of their pantheons which edited the goddesses’ stories to revolve around the Zeus and so on, they were not very prudish, though later Christians went around censoring their art later. I even know modern priestesses of Innana, Lilith, Aphrodite, etc…
“We feel, then we hate that we felt, and the hate tends to include also the object of the urge.”
– This certainly describes a pattern that plagues much modern Western culture, and extends to our parental and workplace, economic and government relationships and so on, but I think it’s a shame spiral rising out of Judeo-Christian-Muslim moralizing & control patterns, rather than a necessary natural thing for everyone.