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Do you know any movie or book where the antagonist win?

Asked by Unofficial_Member (5107points) January 18th, 2017

I am so tired of watching movies and reading novels where in the end the protagonist always win. It’s not that I hate it, it’s just that if protagonists win all the time it’ll be unrealistic and too cliche to entertain me. I also find myself liking the antagonists a lot more than the protagonists.

Do you know any good movies/books where the antagonists are glorified? Please exclude movie/book where the former antagonist turn in to protagonist, I am more interested in the ones where pure antagonists (or anti-hero) triumph.

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cookieman's avatar

I know I’m the comic book guy here, so I apologize for the pop culture answer, but…

In the recent Marvel movie, Captain America: Civil War the antagonist, Zemo, wins.

His goal was to tear apart the team of Avengers, have them doubt themselves, and fight against one another.

By the end of the movie, he has accomplished that and Captain America has given up his shield, Rhodes cannot walk, friendships are broken, and some folks go into hiding. Sure Zemo is in custody by the end, but he’s alive and has accomplished his goals and more.

Unofficial_Member's avatar

@cookieman that is a good example. I suspect there would be a sequel/s where the good guys will crawl back to victory. It’s typically like that.

@Espiritus_Corvus Thanks. I’ve already googled such things before I even posted this question. Just want to know others outside what listed on those sites and what you’ve experienced yourself.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

Sorry. I rarely read modern fiction.

Sneki95's avatar

Go to Tv tropes and find pages as Villain Protagonist and Bad Guy Wins. You’ll find something there.

ragingloli's avatar

If history books count, then 2016: Trump defeats Hillary.

Zaku's avatar

@ragingloli I think you mean the system and its embarrassingly awful puppets defeat Bernie Sanders through money and cynicism.

filmfann's avatar

@Zaku So the Russians got to you, too!

Dutchess_III's avatar

I wouldn’t really want to read a book where the antagonist wins. It would be disheartening.

Zaku's avatar

Do you really mean the protagonist even if the protagonist is a villain? What if you have heroic protagonists who die in the end – do you just want the villain to survive? Does it matter if the protagonists are criminals? And what constitutes a win? If a villain is really the most developed and plot-central character who is also willing to lose his life as long as he accomplishes his horrible agenda, one could make a case for such a character being protagonist or antagonist and a win or a loss.

Good films that might qualify:
Little Shop of Horrors (I’m thinking of the 1986 film version)
The Abominable Doctor Phibes (villain antagonist overshadows heroic protagonists)
The French Connection
Gladiator
The Silence of the Lambs

Outlaw/Villain protagonists:
The Day of the Jackal
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
High Plains Drifter
The Getaway
How to Steal a Million
The Thomas Crown Affair (prefer 1968)
Catch Me If You Can

Good films possibly of interest that might qualify:
Doctor Strangelove
Brazil
The Wicker Man
Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978)

Not so good films that probably qualify but don’t have so likeable antagonists include many horror/slasher films where the killers kill many and get stopped but not killed and come back for infinite sequels:
Friday the 13th
Halloween

Drama:
Hamlet
Othello

Books:
Frankenstein

Zaku's avatar

@filmfann Well I was influenced by seeing the additional evidence of the DNC’s email, but it didn’t really need that to see who the good guy was and that we were all getting shafted as usual.

ucme's avatar

Inside Man
No Country for Old Men

Mimishu1995's avatar

Fallen Angel. The protagonist is a sleazy con artist who refuses to learn anything after what he has been through. You may argue that in the end he is framed by another antagonist and manages to clear his name, but the way he clears his name is very questionable as the movie never really shows how he got his evidence. In the end he gets his girl. That begs a disturbing question: will he ever learn to treat her well or he will continue to fool her the way he did earlier to her.

kritiper's avatar

“On the Beach.”

Sneki95's avatar

The Satanists in Rosemary’s Baby get what they wanted from the very beginning, if I remember well.

Jaxk's avatar

The movie ‘Frances’ Was fairly good and the and definitely depressing. The evil mother won out and Frances Farmer was lobotomized. I was depressed for a week after seeing this. It’s not good to have the bad guys win.

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