Doesn't Texas bill 25 ask doctors to break their Hippocratic Oath?

I hope it’s not too off topic, but doctors lie to/manipulate their patients often.

Usually in the way of ordering more diagnostics than is really needed, or by diagnosing fringe patients with certain ailments requiring drugs that the doctors get kickbacks on.

Medical Care is a business… Period… And ethics get REAL clouded involving over prescription, or unnecessary drugs. Pharmaceutical companies are not that different from a street corner drug dealer (ethically,they may be far worse.)

Why is any of that not violation of their “oath.”

Oaths are stupid anyway. A blind,naive trust in a stranger. Pfft. Come on…...

Hate to burst your bubble, but there is no ‘hippocratic’ oath.

@MrGrimm888 True an oath is only as good as the oath keeper and what you point out is no more ok than what they are doing to these women. I personally have very little faith in doctors. They are human and so therefore flawed like any other. But when dealing with life and death, a doctor should be held to a higher standard then your washing machine repair guy. But should also be held to at least the same standard of an electrician, who can burn your house down if he does something wrong.
@cazzie I looked it up. You are right in a way. There is an oath but apparently doctors are not bound to it the same way a judge is bound to his oath. http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2013/11/doctors-arent-bound-hippocratic-oath/

The oath isn’t legally or ethically binding, isn’t (contrary to popular belief) required to obtain a license to practice, and isn’t even administered by many medical schools.

I think it is unethical for a doctor to withhold information from his or her patients. If a fetus has abnormalities the parents have a right to know as soon as it is diagnosed. Keeping it secret from the parents is simply cruel.

PS. The Hippocratic Oath contains the words Noxam vero et maleficium propulsabo (I will reject harm and mischief).

To put it in perspective, the government in Texas is dang near all Republican. They worship the ground Trump crawls over and in many cases are even more rabidly bound up in what they consider to be their righteous morality. In their collective hive minds lying is not lying if used as a means to achieve their goals. Since blatant lying is the norm for the present administration they are honor bound to try to outdo their liar-in-chief and are willing to pass laws that coerce even those who would not normally do so into lying to achieve said goals.

This will end up in court and the state will lose.

it’s a prior governmental restraint of speech, and therefore utterly unconstitutional.

I’m so disgusted that patients have trouble getting information about their own bodies or the fetus inside of them. That anything like this is ever a “legal” problem is outrageous. We needed a law to get a copy of our chart. We needed another law to be able to see lab reports, which only passed on the federal level 2 years ago. Now, I guess, we are going to need a law to make sure doctors tell the truth about the condition of a fetus? That will lose if it makes its way up in the courts. That’s so horrible. I’ll just say what I always say—second opinion.

@elbanditoroso not so sure of that with Sessions in charge of the DOJ. He has already backed them out of a lawsuit against the state of Texas over voter suppression and discrimination.

I wish I could find a full list of all the “protection” and “personhood” bills the Texas legislature has heard over the last few years. It’s astounding and odd to see lawmakers propose new angles to see what sticks.

To be clear, the linked article is discussing a bill, so it hasn’t passed and is not law. There have been times in Texas (in this century) where it was illegal for doctors to even discuss abortion as an option, so a bill set to simply absolve doctors of fault isn’t really that far out and may pass.

There are also bills right now to make abortion a felony outright, the stalled fetal remains law (and a “backup” in bill 258), a bill to outlaw “partial birth abortions” (which is a made up problem), and a bill to outlaw Dilation and Evacuation (D&E) procedures that are typically done in second trimester. link discussing the last 3 bills mentioned.

It’s like this every year lately. We had Senate Bill 5 passed and that shut down the majority of clinics in the state temporarily. It’s an outsized amount of focus on what should be a fringe issue for the government, but voters care, so these things drive votes and everyone wants to appear to be tough. Not sure where it ends.

Nothing is as revealing on the dumbing down of the country as the surge in idiotic obtuse legislation. And of course, few states can yet pace the stride of blindingly moronic lone star legalisms, though Kansas under Brownback is clearly giving Perry’s Texas a run for the championship. Being a smug liberal, I’d grown accustomed to basking in California while heaping contempt on flyover yokels tolerating such stupidity. But in the interests of near poetic justice, I’m here to tell you friends that my smug and seemingly assured illusion of immunity has been brutally shattered with the election of Donald J Trump. perhaps it is only just that the flyover folks insist “the issue isn’t about the obtuse shit we inflict upon ourselves. The issue is that the rest of you must not be allowed to escape.”