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What is catch 22 situation?

Asked by imrainmaker (8380points) April 1st, 2017

Can you give real life example?

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Patty_Melt's avatar

A catch 22 is when two things block each other, but if only one could be fixed, both will work.
Eg. You call a cab to take you to an ATM to get cash. The cabbie won’t take you without advance cash payment. If you were at the ATM already, you could get cash to take a cab, but you are home, with no cash. You are stuck.

imrainmaker's avatar

Any idea why it is called like that?

imrainmaker's avatar

Also how would you come out of it?

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

When you’re damned if you do, and damned if you don’t.

The term comes from the book by Joseph Heller, a member of our armed forces during WWII who, in this instance, wrote about his paradoxical experiences as a B-17 navigator based in Italy.

The deal was this: When they first arrived as new recruits directly from training camps in the US, they were told that they would only have to do 25 bombing missions, then be sent home to train other new recruits. Then the brass upped it to 50. Then to 75. And these guys eventually decided nobody was ever going to make it home, so fuck it. They went kinda crazy.

My stepfather was a bomber pilot in the 8th Airforce out of England in WWII. He said that is exactly the way it was. The USAAF couldn’t keep up with the losses, they were losing more men and planes than were being shipped from home, so they kept increasing the missions.
His brass squeazed 75 missions out of him before they sent him home. God knows how he did it. Guys were going crazy. Each mission was a fucking nightmare. Sometimes they would lose 30 out of 40 planes, then have to fly the next morning. Some guys committed suicide so they wouldn’t have to experience the terror one more time. But, If I guy went clinically, varifiably nuts by USAAF criteria, he could go home. He wouldn’t have to fly anymore missions. This was up to the base Doc.

Anyway, the way Heller tells the story through the voice of Captain Yossarian, USAAF, the base Doc himself was nuts. Yossarian is having nightmares, stress blackouts, impotence, experiencing erratic, uncontrollable behaviour and decides that he just might qualify for a ticket home. So, he goes and sees the base Doc.

Yossarian says he’s nuts, suicidal, describes all the other symptoms and asks if he qualifies. And the Doc says that he’s not nuts. Yossarian asks why. The Doc says because going nuts is perfectly normal under these conditions and there Yossarian isn’t nuts and therefore does not meet the criteria for a trip home. Yossarian asks what the is that? Where in what manual does it say that?

The Doc pulls a USAAF manual off his bookshelf, turns to a page and says, “Right here. Catch 22.”

It’s great book and they made a great film faithful the book.

Here. Catch 22 by Joseph Heller All 387 pages in downloadable pdf format. Free of charge.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

BTW, Catch 22 is listed as one of the top ten best anti-war novels ever written in any language.

The font in this copy is easier to read: Catch 22

imrainmaker's avatar

Thanks for the info and link..)

zenvelo's avatar

Catch-22 Trivia: Heller was going to call it Catch-18 but Leon Uris’ book Mila 18 came out just as it was going to print, so the publisher changed it to avoid confusion,

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

I know I’m beating this to death, but it’s one of my favorite books and films.

Here’s the scene in the film that describes the Catch 22

LuckyGuy's avatar

Imagine a drug dealer is robbed of his drugs by a customer. Calling the police for help would be a Catch 22. If he calls the police to report the theft he will likely be arrested for selling drugs. If he doesn’t call he won’t get his drugs back.

@Espiritus_Corvus i loved that movie!

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

More C-22 Trivia
Correction:
After watching the clip above, I’m reminded that the planes in the book and film weren’t B-17 long-range bombers. They were Martin B-26 twin engine, medium-range bombers. This is significant in a book about the insanity of the vast, and sometimes corrupt, military bureaucracy in WWII.

This aircraft, once it made it to the war theater, was a deadly product of USAAF bureaucracy—deadly to the men who flew her. USAAF officers and crew labeled her, variously, the Flying Coffin, the Widowmaker and the Baltimore Whore because so many crewmen lost their lives flying her before ever reaching target.

The first runs of this plane out of Martin’s plant in Baltimore were excellent and lived up to engineering expectations.

But the Army Air Corp bureaucracy decided she didn’t have enough defense armament. So, against all Martin (later Martin-Marietta, today a major defense contractor) engineering advice, the Army loaded her up with dual .50 and .30 cal machine guns plus ammo, weighed her down and disturbed her center of gravity toward the nose. After the refit, she had a habit of crashing on takeoff. But the Army insisted on the armament anyway.

Nobody wanted to be assigned to B-26 crew training. It was considered a death sentence.

I spent my early teen years in Florida’s Tampa Bay area and fished the waters of Tampa Bay. I met old, gnarly fisherman who were too old or otherwise 4F to fight in WWII. They stayed behind and fished the TB. On the Tampa side of the bay, where the international airport is now, was Drew Field. It was a USAAF B-26 flight training school during WWII. They told me stories. So many new crew went down into the water in those planes on takeoff that the saying was “A plane a day in Tampa Bay.” (Google that phrase.) The Army even had a bounty for fishing crew out of the bay. Some said that they made more money fishing crew out of the bay than they did fishing during the war.

Senator Harry S. Truman (D – Missouri), later VP and POTUS after FDR’s death, was head of the Senate investigation committee on waste and corruption in the War Industry. He went to TB, then to the sister school in the Everglades and his report attempted to correct this Army stupidity. But by the time it took the bureaucracy to act on his committee’s, and Martin’s, recommendations, the war was almost over.

The amazing thing about Heller’s work is that he was able to portray all the shit these guys had to go through, and the surrealism that became their lives, as a hilarious comedy. These poor bastards couldn’t determine if the Nazis or their own general staff were the deadlier enemy. Both the book and the film are one of the finest works of dark comedy ever published.

The book is about the absurdity of men at war and the B-26 was a perfect example of that absurdity.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Welfare. If you spend any time receiving all the welfare benefits you’re eligible for (food stamps, housing, medical, bill assistance,) when you get a job (especially a low paying job) you find yourself worse off financially than you were when you were receiving welfare. It’s like for every dollar you make they cut off $2 in benefits.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

Here. Catch 22, the movie, free download or streaming, in 720p. Brought to you by the ad-free, virus-free, care-free Fluther Film Club. For more information, PM @Mimishu1995 or @Sneki95.

Part One:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8yA8FTt8Ux1TFVKWHZNbU5ENXM/view

Part Two:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8yA8FTt8Ux1dTNPbWMxWlAxNkU/view

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