Could rape transform in to consensual sex? Will it be unpunishable?

No. And yes, it sure as hell should be. How is this even a question?

I’m not a law expert, but from my knowledge, I would decide the man is guilty if I was the judge.

He kidnapped her and had sex with her without her consent. This is enough to qualify as a rape. No matter if she cooperated afterwards, his initial action was without her consent and that is a crime.

Now here’s the tricky part: it is a persistent myth that rape victims don’t feel pleasure while being raped. In reality, sexual pleasure has nothing to do with consent. The pleasure is only the body’s unconscious response to sex. This is something that seems absurd as people always associate pleasure with consent. Part of the guilt many rape victims feel comes from this myth and if you search on Google, you will find a lot of discussions about how to feel about feeling good while being raped.

Not to mention the woman in question could be cooperative to save her life. There are cases of rape victims becoming cooperative just to please the rapist and spare their life though I doubt they would be that open about it like the woman in your question.

You have everything against the man. He should be guilty of rape.

It’s rape without a doubt.

If you’re being sexually dealt with, it’s quite expected to get aroused and enjoy it. That does not mean you actually accepted to have sex, you were led into it.

The same goes for male rape. Many people don’t believe guys that claim to have been raped because “if you didn’t want it, you wouldn’t get hard”. Truth is, sexually arousing someone is quite easy. It does not mean the person actually wanted to be aroused, nor having a sexual intercourse.

Case closed. Everything was covered quite accurately.

Yes
Yes

The transformation would not mitigate the rape.

As a woman who has been raped I can say without a doubt that you don’t feel pleasure and it’s insulting to survivors to say that it can happen. To suggest so makes me absolutely sick. Come talk to us after you’ve been raped, then share your opinion.

“Well your honor, I walked into the place and demanded that the man give me all his money. We refused at first, but then I pulled out a gun and held it to his head. He willingly, even gladly, gave me his money then. He even admits that he got an endorphin kick out of it.”

This question does not deserve a response. That’s my response.

@PhoebeSea you don’t feel pleasure, it doesn’t mean that no one else does. I’m not dumbing down your pain, but you are equaling pleasure and desire. As I said before, sexual pleasure has nothing to do with desire. They are two different entities. Many rape victims feel guilty for feeling pleasure because they know it’s not normal to feel pleasure. They know that other people will expect them to not feel pleasure.

And knowing that rape victims may feel pleasure isn’t an insult, far from it. I consider it a liberty for the minds of those who feel something they aren’t supposed to feel, a freedom from their guilt.

Have you been raped?

I am not equaling pleasure and desire. I know exactly what I’m talking about. Most women need stimulation to feel pleasure and having a penis forced inside you when you are shocked and frozen in fear is not stimulating nor pleasurable. And if you do feel some sort of pleasure you are probably one of those twisted soles who have rape fantasies.

I have been a member of an online support group for survivors for ten years. There are thousands of us in this group. I have never seen support for this idea in our group.

Have you seen my links?

I’m not a rape victim, but I know that every rape victim needs sympathy from the society, regardless of their feeling and reaction to the rape. You are speaking from your experience, and I am speaking from facts.

Feeling pleasure during rape is something so absurd, so immoral that very few women want to admit to it, let alone speaking out loud. They may not even want to talk about it online for fear of being misunderstood for “having rape fantasies” by people like you. Have you been to other forums and groups or do you just stick to that particular group of yours? Go search “do rape victims feel pleasure” and see how many results on Google, how many confused and ashamed people asking for help with their embarrassing experience on forums.

The people who actually feel pleasure during rape, do they all deserve being called “twisted soles who have rape fantasies?” Do they deserve the hate for feeling something they don’t want to feel in the first place but have no control over?

I don’t need to google search Mimi. I lived the hell of rape and still live with it today.

@PhoebeSea “having a penis forced inside you when you are shocked and frozen in fear is not stimulating nor pleasurable. And if you do feel some sort of pleasure you are probably one of those twisted soles who have rape fantasies.”

Yeah. You just called rape victims who happened to feel pleasure while being rapes sick. No, that is not twisting of words. And you don’t even bother researching about other people’s experiences, but base the concept of rape solely on your own personal experience.

Yes, I attacked you, and I will attack every ass that thinks they have the right to decide what is and isn’t for other people. I didn’t attack you because you’re a rape victim, but because you’re a jerk.

You survived it, which is unfortunate. But you don’t get to insult and berate the ones who survived it differently than you.

Quit personally attacking me. I am not doing what you are doing. I have not attacked anyone here. You do not know me based on two comments on this site. I will not stoop to your level.

@Sneki95 “You survived it, which is unfortunate.” You wanted her to not survive it? Who is the jerk here?

@PhoebeSea is a rape survivor. She has a right to her feelings.

@chyna Uh, yeah. Why would I want anyone to survive rape? That’s a horrible thing to go through. I’m an jerk, not a sadist.
As for the rights, she has a right to feel however she wants, but not the right to decide how are others supposed to feel.
The woman openly offended people and even deliberately turns a blind eye for people who – gasp! – didn’t follow her manual of surviving rape. As if the fact that you’ve been through it gives you the right to decide how is one supposed to survive it. Give me a break.
Don’t nitpick my words, read the whole thing.

Most rape victims don’t feel pleasure so I’m not alone. You are putting way to much meanness into what I wrote and how I feel.

Imagine being raped in the mouth, vagina and ass. This happened over 30 years ago to me. I have difficulty to this day feeling pleasure because of what happened to me. I have difficulties giving pleasure as well. It’s a nightmare that changed my life forever. I can’t even imagine a person feeling pleasure during rape because I feel it’s almost impossible. To feel pleasure you need to allow your body to relax and let go to feel anything, otherwise it’s just s dick going in and out of your vagina. Most woman need other stimuli other than a pounding to feel pleasure. No rapist is concerned about their victims G spot.

Give me a fucking break Sneki. You and Mimi are the only people I offended here and neither of you have been raped. I wonder if you’ve even had sex at all. There are maybe 40 active users on this site. My comment wasn’t targeted toward anyone here. I gave a victims opinion, that is all. I support all victims regardless of my opinion that I shared here that you don’t like. YOU personally attacked me. You are the jerk here.

And yes, I do think woman who have rape fantasies are sick.

Where on Earth did I insult you? Can you show me?

Or you mean that anyone who don’t agree with you are insulting you?

I never deny that you are sharing your opinion of a rape victim, and I am simply sharing my view of someone who do research from various sources. You are talking as if you are the only rape survivor in the world. There are many rape survivor and each victim has a different experience. You refuse to open your eyes and look further from your memories and your forum, and when I point things out to you, you say I’m insulting you.

Look, you may be able to be offended by @Sneki95 because her words are a bit too harsh and she doesn’t give you much credible evidence, but me? I showed you evidence, everything that you can see just from a click of the mouse. And what did you do? You refused to see my evidence with some weak reason, and you attacked me in PM. You are doing exactly the same thing you accused @Sneki95 and me of. But at least @Sneki95 is less secretive about it than you.

I am going to stop responding to the thread from now on, because I know you won’t listen to me no matter how much more evidence I try to find. I just want to say one last word to you: you are a rape victim and I’m sorry about that. But it doesn’t give you the right to pass judgement on anyone, especially people who are rape victims like you.

And you know why you have stayed in your forum for 10 years and no one mentions about pleasure in rape? That’s probably because that forum is full of people like you, who are so sure people who feel pleasure are into sick rape fantasies, that people don’t want to ever mention it for fear of being judged and shunned by the entire forum.

Whatever one’s personal experiences might have been does not give one the right to decide how others who have gone through the same experiences should or not feel.

I attacked you Mimi? Give me a break. All I said was “you are mean.”

@Mimi I shared a fucking opinion based on experience. I never s aid I would not support a person who experienced pleasure nor did I say it NEVER happens. I said it is rare, that’s all. I’m not stupid and I don’t live in some fantasy world of being the only rape victim that DIDN’T experience pleasure. YOU are ignoring the facts that I shared.

All I did was share an opinion from experience. Experience that MOST rape victims deal with. Are you always such pricks to people YOU disagree with? I was messaged by another user and they told me you and Sneki are bullies. Look over everything I have said on this site. It’s all on my profile page. I have not been rude to one person on this site. Can you say the same? This is ridiculous . You have no right to judge ME by one comment on this site!

I’m out, Mimi. I’m not going to stay to be personally attacked. I’ve been raped more than once and live with it daily. I’m not going to stay somewhere where children insult me for sharing an opinion. I have enough grief to deal with in my life. Mimi and Sneki, this site will not grow if you continue to badger new users because you disagree with them.

wow

I have a sneaking suspicion that we’ve seen @PhoebeSea around here a few times before.

And she’s deleted her account. Yep, that fits the M.O..

@darth Even if it was someone that had been here before or not, the rudeness of some people here are running off newbies and I think it’s despicable.

@chyna

There was no rudeness in the conversation until the “newbie” injected it herself.

(Which again, if it’s the person I’m thinking is pretty typically of her M.O..)

You see it your way, I see it mine.