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Mom is forcing me to go to church?

Asked by Hs03 (39points) April 25th, 2017 from iPhone

I am completely fine with Sunday church,I grew up waking up early and going for an hour. Now my uncle is wanting to ‘bond’ with me and pick me up after school on Thursday but I know it’s a ploy by my uncle’s wife (I refuse to call her my aunt) to convert me to be a little saint and to stop playing my ‘violent’ videogames. My mom usually bails me out with lies but now she is agreeing with her. My aunt has made me fear going to church and is separating me from my faith. The Thursday junior service also treats their kids like little heathens and I’m not used to their ‘hip’ teachers trying to understand us by prodding for information when I don’t feel comfortable speaking. When I do speak my ideas are completely shot down. I’ve been tossing the idea around to tell my counsoler how they are pressuring me but I get nervous that my mom will think I’m just trying to get out of it. Should I tell my counselor or suck it up and stay silent?

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stanleybmanly's avatar

How old are you?

Coloma's avatar

I think this is similar to your hair cutting dilemma. You need to talk with your mom and tell her that you feel you are old enough to make some of your own decisions, be that cutting your hair or deciding whether you want to attend church with your uncle. Yes, tell your counselor maybe they can help intervene with your mom/parents that seem overly controlling.

dappled_leaves's avatar

Is this a school counselor, or your own therapist? Personally, I’d tell the counselor and prepare for whatever the consequences are. You say you don’t want your mom to know that you’re “trying to get out of it”, but you are in fact trying to get out of it.

It doesn’t sound like you’re going to get out of it by staying quiet about not wanting to go. You’ll have to tell someone.

Zaku's avatar

What I might try in your case is talk to your counselor in confidence about it. (If your mom finds out, then your counselor broke trust and can’t be trusted. In fact, I might tell the counselor some exaggerated but false stories just to see if you really have privacy with them. If the secret held, I’d let the counselor know I tested him after a while.)

I might also try talking with mom about the downsides of trying to control people and force outcomes, and the value of mutual respect and positive, allowing relationships. Enforced religion can backfire. My grandparents made my parents go to Sunday school, and it made negative impressions on them. Particularly the part about “stay and pray until God answers you” and the other kids leave and you get in trouble for being honest for saying you never experienced God answering. Probably had something to do with them both becoming agnostic and/or atheist, and pretty much certain they would not impose any religion on me and letting me find my own spirituality. Which actually is all fine, but even though I’ve rarely had to encounter it, I was imprinted with a deep aversion to enforced religion, especially enforced Christianity.

johnpowell's avatar

You will be 18 soon. I know it doesn’t seem like it now but when you are 40 three years is a blink.

When I was your age I hung out with stoners and skateboarders and kids in really bad punk bands. But I had some friends that had some seriously religious parents and it was a fucking nightmare for everyone involved.

My best buddy had insanely religious parents (promise ring dance with daddy for purity) shit. Some of that shit stuck with my friend. We just learned to never discuss it since his argument was always religion is fine it is the people that interpret it incorrectly that is is the problem. I lived with him on 9/11. Changed the dynamic of that conversation.

But yeah… From what I have seen fighting this will make it worse. Suck it up for three and prepare a escape plan. Taco Bell is always hiring and you can get roommates.

cazzie's avatar

If you have to go to this ‘indoctrination shaming system’ don’t talk. Don’t say anything. Anything you say will be held against you, twisted and reported to show how much you NEED to be in church. They aren’t trying to be your friends. They are trying to recruit you.
You have rights. You the the right to freedom of thought.
Where do you live?

Seek's avatar

Howdy!

So… I used to be one of those youth leaders. Yeah, they do actually think they’re helping you. Cognitive dissonance is a scary thing.

I’m an atheist now. Honestly, having watched many of my former Sunday school and youth group students grow up, the ones who were the “worst” Christians are the best people.

The good kids… Well… They’re either recovering (much like I am) from a host of emotional disorders, or in jail for child molestation.

The bad kids broke away and are happily raising their families.

How were the kids “bad”?

Well, they performed such mortal sins as bringing YuGi Oh! Cards to game night, or simply not participating in activities.

You’re 15. As long as you’re dependent on someone for a place to live, you might need to suck it up and go to church.

So, go. Get the free pizza and the basketball games and hang out with other kids who don’t really want to be there, and make fun of the “hip” balding 20 year old youth leader who wishes he hadn’t married his first girlfriend at 17.

And then, in a few years, stop going.

You’ll be fine.

JLeslie's avatar

You might have to suck up as suggested above.

I’d talk to your mom first and explain why you don’t want to go. Here’s the thing, be sure you are overall a good kid by most objective standards if you want to be able to argue your point and win. Don’t drink, don’t smoke, don’t take dangerous risks, and make sure your parents know where you are so they don’t worry. I’m not assuming you do drink or any of those things. If you cause your parents worry, or if you are not trust worthy, you lose ground.

Try to remember they are just worried about you and want the best for you. I’m sure it feels like they are trying to control you, but they’re worried about you staying alive, being a good person, and since they are religious, your eternal life. I think if you keep in mind their good intention it will help you push through having to do it if you do have to do it. Have some empathy for their fears.

Just remember, the light is at the end of the tunnel. Once you graduate high school you’re a free agent and wilol able to do what you want.

CWOTUS's avatar

Welcome to Fluther (if I hadn’t said that already).

As a 15-year-old, you’re starting to mature and wanting to pick your own path through life, which is completely normal, to be expected and applauded – at least to a point. (We’ll get back to that.) On the other hand, you’ll always be your parents’ – and probably especially your mom’s – “baby”, and many times parents aren’t so willing to let their kids grow up, and sometimes even less willing to let them choose their own path. Unfortunately, while that’s not what I would consider “normal”, it is fairly common and not completely unexpected.

Now, of course, there’s a new dimension to the family organization, or at least new to the dynamic you have described regarding your religious instruction: your aunt, apparently. A lot of “church ladies” do like to extend their sway over other family members in much the same way that you have described. (Maybe a lot of men do the primary moving here, too, but it seems less common, at least in my limited experience.) Or it could just be that your mom has always wanted you to be more aligned with church teachings, and your aunt and uncle are convenient allies. Who knows?

In any case, you’re not in favor of the added instruction, and that’s not uncommon, either, especially if your history is anything such as what @Seek has vividly described of much of her own experience.

One of the lessons to learn about maturity is not just about being independent and making your own decisions about things, but also – and this is a much harder part for too many kids these days – being able to intellectually defend your choices. That is, making calm, solid, reasoned and well put arguments (quietly, for the most part; I’m not talking about yelling and screaming matches) to support your case. It’s also frequently about negotiation and (frequently) compromise.

And that’s where we circle around back to the point we left earlier: It may be that your mom has been convinced by others in the family that, for example, your attention to video games (or whatever) is unhealthy, unsafe, and a distraction from growing up and bettering yourself. No one is going to approve of choices that you make which they believe to be unhealthy, unwise, dangerous, illegal, etc. And if you’re going to be perfectly honest – and you should be, at least with yourself – maybe there’s some truth to their concern about your dedication to video games. So perhaps the compromise could be, for example, that you will agree to do something else with the time that you would have spent in church instruction on those Thursday afternoons. That is, not video games (perhaps), but not church, either. Of course, one of the other major parts of growing up is then living up to whatever promised you’ve made as part of the negotiation.

This is part of growing up: Learning to navigate the obstacles and requirements that others put in front of you as you manage to go your way. The worst thing that you could do here is to go “because they make you” and then sulk about it. That would demonstrate that you really aren’t ready to grow up yet, so don’t do that. (Running away isn’t a good choice, either. Not that you’ve expressed such an intent, but just in case that comes up. Running away certainly demonstrates a clear desire to “go your own way”, and boy howdy does it ever, but it generally doesn’t include the “reasoned argument and negotiation” parts, either.)

While I’m at it, another part of growing up is recognizing reality: your aunt is your aunt, whether you approve of her, or like her, or not. Recognize reality while you’re at all of this other stuff.

LostInParadise's avatar

You need to speak to your mother about this. There is no guarantee that she will agree with you, but it is important to keep the lines of communication open. Tell her that you are perfectly fine with showing your faith by going to church on Sunday, but are not in agreement with what is said at the Thursday meetings. Give some examples of the ways that you feel they shut you down. You can also mention that there is no evidence that video games make people violent

It may be useful to prepare in advance for what you want to say, because your mother may try to sidetrack the conversation. Keep it simple. Make sure to mention that you love and respect your mother and wish to remain faithful to the church, but that the things that are said at the Thursday meetings go against what you believe.

stanleybmanly's avatar

I agree that you should talk frankly with your parents as well as the minions she has enlisted toward your salvation. Tell all who are concerned that there is no forcing you into “the light”, and persistent coercion will never enable you to see “the light” through the smoke of your growing hostility and resentment. Folks pushing you around “for your own good” should be aware of where you stand on the issue. In the end there’s no real defense against “as long as you’re living in my house young man” other than the threat to move away. Tell your mom as gently as you can manage that the threat grows daily along with your resentment.

LostInParadise's avatar

One of the problems that you have with your mother is that she does not think you are mature enough to make decisions on your own. I only know you from what you have written here, but your writing indicates to me that your mother is mistaken. By speaking logically and dispassionately you can demonstrate your maturity. People don’t like having their preconceived notions contradicted and it is quite likely that your mother will try to coax you into acting childishly by raising her voice or making unsubstantiated accusations. Don’t fall for it. Above all else, keep your cool.

kritiper's avatar

Why do you not want to go to church?

When I was your age I went through the same thing with my mother. You are old enough to make up your own mind about it, so stand your ground! Talk with those who want you to go and explain your reasons in detail. Don’t give up! It may take some time and a lot of hot air…
And best of luck from one who’s been there and done that!

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