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What is the origin of the word ZAX?

Asked by Dutchess_III (47069points) May 15th, 2017

WWF accepts it as a valid word. I can only find in defined in one dictionary, Merriam Webster. It says it’s like a hatchet that is used by roofers.
It is not listed in the Oxford dictionary, or the Cambridge.
I can’t find the origins of it any where. I checked Etymology.com. It isn’t listed.

I’m having a debate with a friend over the validity of the word, ZAX, and the word ZAXE, which WWF does not accept. She keeps insisting that they’re both valid words. If AX is a valid word, and AXE is a valid word, then ZAXE is a valid word since they both mean a type of ax.
I mean, I’ll take any word that lets me play a Z and X in the same word, but I can’t find any more information on the word.

Is some random invention of the age of playing online word games?

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NomoreY_A's avatar

Search me, I never could get past antidisestablishmentarianism.

Dutchess_III's avatar

My idiot ex thought that was the coolest word in the world. It’s utter nonsense.

NomoreY_A's avatar

It are? Uh, I mean, it is?

NomoreY_A's avatar

None of my biz, but you sure are cold about your ex. I’m sure he wasn’t a bad feller.

Dutchess_III's avatar

He was OK, when he wasn’t being an asshole and going out on me. We were married 10 years. The last 2 were pretty horrible. He was getting more and more abusive. Then he up and left, moved 2000 miles away. The kids were really young, like 4 and 6. He just abandoned them.

NomoreY_A's avatar

Geez… well that explains it. My apologies for being nosey. Thank what ever powers may or may not be, that I’m not a woman. I once heard PMS described as putting up with men’s shit. Must be some truth to that.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Oh, for realz. And their egos make them so tetchy and emotional. We have to take care of their egos to keep the peace. Just wanna take a ZAX to them sometimes!

Dutchess_III's avatar

I wish someone would answer this question!

NomoreY_A's avatar

Well, all I can say is good luck with it. I have no earthly idea what a zax is. Never even heard the word.

anniereborn's avatar

What does ZAX have to do with the World Wildlife Fund? Ohhhhh, wait, The World Wrestling Federation? I always forget who got the rights to that.

NomoreY_A's avatar

OK- according to my American Heritage Dictionary, a zax is a “Hatchet like tool for cutting and dressing roofing slates”. From old English term for ax.

imrainmaker's avatar

It’s Axe with a Z..)

Dutchess_III's avatar

Edit. I messed up.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Apparently @imrainmaker, which makes me wonder if it’s a made up word.

janbb's avatar

Actually @Dutchess_III if you read what he wrote, the second sentence gives the derivation.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Right. I edited.

elbanditoroso's avatar

It’s a good word. It has zax appeal.

Zaku's avatar

The OED says zax is a variant spelling of sax (OED Concise edition, physical). Saxe is nothing. Zaxe is nothing.

Strauss's avatar

It’s a tool used when installing slate tiles as roofing.Most likely the term “zax” is a verbal contraction for “roofer’s axe” or more likely, a “slaters axe’.

“Axe, Slaters’. Also called Sax, Saxe, Slate Cleaver, Slate Cutters’ Trimmer, Slate Trimmer, and Zax. A one-handed tool with a long cutting edge on one side and a sharp spike opposite the cutting edge. This tool was used to trim and punch holes in roofing slates. The cutting edge is approximately 16 inches long. The handle is often leather-filled to reduce the shock on the hand during use.” Dictionary of American Hand Tools: A Pictorial Synopsis Compiled by Alvin Sellens, 2002

As cited here.

imrainmaker's avatar

I’m curious what it has to do with WWF?

Strauss's avatar

Aha! I just figured it out!

WORDS WITH FRIENDS!

Zax vs Zaxe: IMHO, since ax and axe are variant spellings of the same word,it stands to reason that zax and zaxe should be interchangable.

Dutchess_III's avatar

ZAX is acceptable in WWF. ZAXE is not. But I think ZAXES is. If AX and AXE are acceptable, and ZAX is acceptable, then ZAXE should be acceptable.

Strauss's avatar

I agree. I suppose there are WWF gods, (just like there are fluthergods) that you could appeal to.

NomoreY_A's avatar

@Dutchess_III Sounds like a dang algebra problem.

Zaku's avatar

English does not have reliable spelling rules for all words, not by a long shot. Not every word ending in -X, or even -AX, can have an optional silent E added and still be a correct spelling.

No such thing as TAXE reform.
No FAXE machines.
No FLAXE.
No WAXE.
No ANTICLIMAXE.

In fact, OED lists AX as a US variant spelling of AXE – i.e. the word is AXE, and AX is an Americanism. AXE and SAX (or ZAX) are not from the same root. SAX is usually short for saxophone. But the SAX that ZAX is an alternate spelling for, is not a saxophone but a specific type of small axe whose origin is the SEAX (also never with an extra -E at the end), an old type of knife/weapon.

snowberry's avatar

LOL @Dutchess_III I kept thinking that WWF was about wrestling! You had me really confused!

Dutchess_III's avatar

I’m sorry!

@Zaku but ZAX and AX are pretty much the same thing. My friend argues that if you can have AXE you can have ZAXE. I argue that I’m not even sure it’s a real word. Maybe it was just made up recently as a A/X word to play on online word games.

snowberry's avatar

I seem to associate a zax with a Dr Seuss character. Maybe it’s morphed into its own since then. ;D

Zaku's avatar

@Dutchess_III “but ZAX and AX are pretty much the same thing.”
Depends on how much one cares about weapon/tool details. These are the Google image search results for axes. Googling zaxes instead brings up lots of Dr. Seuss Zaxes and random other images, and one picture of a zax which is from another discussion board on the same topic of WTF is a zax in Words With Friends (scroll down)?

“My friend argues that if you can have AXE you can have ZAXE. I argue that I’m not even sure it’s a real word.”
I think your friend is, formally speaking, incorrect. OED would list ZAXE as an alternate spelling if it were one. It is listed however on at least one (unofficial) Scrabble web site: http://scrabblecheat.mobi/scrabbler/definition/zaxe , but I think they’re technically wrong too. And of course, if your friend likes it being a valid move, you may as well just agree to play with it, as long as you’re not playing with others without telling them. IIRC, Scrabble says players should agree on a dictionary to use before playing.

Dutchess_III's avatar

That’s what I’m talking about. The vast majority of sites that even mention it are online scrabble and Words With Friends forums. I only find an actual definition in 1 of the 3 dictionaries I use, and that definition says it is pretty much a type of ax that roofers use.

And what do you mean ” agree to play with it, as long as you’re not playing with others without telling them.” If WWF accepts a word then I’m going to play it. I only use the dictionaries to look up the definition of some of the crazy words it accepts, not to determine what word to play. I use my own brain for that. I do NOT use a cheat, and I don’t play people who use a cheat. I do have a spread sheet I started for wacky words it’s accepted, so I don’t forget them.

If WWF accepts it, the people I’m playing can SEE with their own eyes that I have played it, and they then know they can play it too. Nobody has to agree on anything online. All the work is done for you.

Dictionaries are a non-issue in online games like that because WWF often does not accept words that are in the dictionary. It accepts some abbreviations, like MM, but not other abbreviations. It accepts some slang, like SHIT, but not other slang words.

snowberry's avatar

The north going zax and the south going zax. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dZmZzGxGpSs

Zaku's avatar

@Dutchess_III Oh I meant if you were playing a physical game of Scrabble rather than WWF.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Oh, well, yeah. IRL you grab a dictionary and share it. Or grab two. If they were different dictionaries and one had a word and the other didn’t, you had to settle it between yourselves. As I recall, if it was found anywhere, we accepted it.

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