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Future historians - how will you describe the Trump years? (Assume you are writing in the year 2100)

Asked by elbanditoroso (33550points) May 31st, 2017

Most importantly, will you be writing with ink on papyrus from a cave?

How will history – 83 years in the future – look at the Trump years?

How do we (in 2017) look back at 1933 (depression era), and Hoover and early FDR?

Will historians see Trump as normal or as an aberration?

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cookieman's avatar

It was a sad time where civility and acceptance of others suffered, but a certain segment of the populace cheered as that’s exactly what they wanted. This devolution did not actually help the plight of the struggling white guy, but it was okay as his anger and bitterness toward the world that dared to change without his permission was justified — at least in his own mind. The rest of us, who weren’t protesting, just watched recordings of Live from The White House where the Obamas and a rainbow of guests saluted the musical genius of Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles.

LuckyGuy's avatar

It was a time when money had real value. Back then people believed someone with a billion dollars was really rich. They didn’t know it was possible to actually be 8 billion dollars in debt and declare bankruptcy more often than most people change cars.
After the Great Deregulation, life savings were reduced to the heating value of the paper statements that came in the mail and dollar bills were used as fire starter and toilet paper. .

But that was a long time ago. Let’s go out to Dunkin Hortons tonight. They are offering a mug of reen tea flavored coffee for only $100M.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

It was the time multiple Casinos were opened on the coast close to Palm Beach; after executive order for increasing tourism, all had titles of “Trump” but the President Trump said he didn’t have any connection., “Trust ME”

In 2080 all were underwater because of rising ocean levels

Yellowdog's avatar

I don’t think history will “correct” any views of the Trump years. We may be forever divided. I think times today are a little more unrest than the 1960s protests and may be approaching Civil War levels.

Here are some things which will be remembered, however:

—I think the main thing will be the election-night itself—virtually all news was predicting a major landslide win for Hillary Clinton as late as two hours before all results were in—and what happened sent a nation into shock.

—Trump was regarded as a Republican but did not get much support from the Republicans. Those a little better versed in history will probably regard him as a “Populist”.

—The downfall of the Republican and Democrat parties

—False news stories and scandals being rampart in major newspapers

—Unmaskings and espionage by the Obama presidency being largely unreported and the Comey findings on Hillary Clinton being swept under the rug because of the unpopularity of Donald Trump.

—Continued protests against law enforcement,

—The obliteration of North Korea will be necessary to protect the very states that oppose Donald Trump the most—- most Americans will blame Trump and not the nuclear threat from North Korea. If North Korea isn’t taken out, expect at least one nuclear bomb striking an American city and probably a few nuclear strikes into South Korea or Japan even before America’s involvement.

—The lack of media coverage of Trump’s recent world tour, which will have large impact in the course of the future—whichever way it goes.

—How we deal with North Korea and global terror.

—Some will always blame the growth of terror on Bush or Obama—those beliefs will not die

—Major rioting and suppression of speech on college campuses.

—The fall of Ivy League schools and the rise of apprenticeship-type programs—and the fall of respectable journalism and the growth of alternate media and social media

—Double standards in politics. Hillary crying for the firing or designation of James Comey one day, then when it happens the next day blaming Trump and Comey being the good guy, Or, Trump saying “wait and see” about whether he will accept the election results—resulting in nationwide paranoia about whether Trump will create a coupe of he looses— Biden saying for him to “grow up” and Obama to “Quit whining” and Hillary “How DARE he question the integrity of the American election process?” and when he looses, the democrats doing exactly what they accused Trump’s supporters.

With the passage of time, many things significant to us now will be largely irrelevant to everyone. Whatever intelligence conceals or is misreported now willprobably be known and readable to all.

It is impossible to say much more because we don’t really know what the Trump years will accomplish. I DO believe that political coupes and assassination attempts will be made within the next few months.

stanleybmanly's avatar

To begin with, there’s an excellent chance that historians will refer to these as the Trump months.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

^^I was just going to say that.
Regardless I think what history will show is that with a populace that will elect a leader based on superficial characteristics such as being the first female or being a wealthy buisiness owner elections are a silly charade. They very question on fluther where it was asked “who would you elect” demonstrated that to a “T.”

kritiper's avatar

Every single democracy throughout history has only lasted about 200 years. President Trump was the end for The United States of America.

ragingloli's avatar

It will not be described as the Trump Years, but as the Trump Decades.
Because Trump will destroy the Separation of Powers and declare himself Dictator CEO of the colonies, and will protect his reign of terror with an iron fist.

SergeantQueen's avatar

10/10 best president ever. He made the best “covfefe” and was a great leader.

I don’t know what Covfefe is, but it reminds me of the word coffee

flutherother's avatar

Post Trump there are no historians, they were all denounced for writing “fake history”.

flutherother's avatar

@SergeantQueen “Covfefe” means the president doesn’t know what the hell he is doing.

Yellowdog's avatar

I do believe that history is indeed highly ‘revisionist’—historians, like today’s news, will continue to say really bad and conspiratorial stuff about Trump. But the facts will remain as historical facts. About 85 percent of Trump’s actions are widely unknown in America today. For instance, most see him as a vile dictator who “rules with an iron fist’—whereas in truth most of his actions are letting those elected or appointed simply do their job.

Trump is not at all part of the Washington establishment and the way the media and other thought control operates in America. He was elected by ordinary people and represents what they elected him for. He is a constitutionalst and a Populist. Most of his cabinet are constitutional Republicans and independents. He was elected by ordinary people through the electoral college which best represents the citizenry of the United States on a Stat-by-State basis.

There is a very active and conspiratorial effort to smear and overthrow Donald Trump. This will probably be known in the future—and that the coupe-like activity involved unnamed sources, wild accusations with no evidences, leaks of classified intelligence, which wracked the nation like the Civil War. I do believe that Comey will eventually be imprisoned and maybe some unexpected persons in Obama;s camp who unveiled, sped, and leaked information on private citizens.

The average person ultimately will not really understand the issues of these decades and there will always be conflicting information.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@Yellowdog “He is a constitutionalst ”

That has got to be your best joke yet.

ragingloli's avatar

“Erdogan’s heart is full of love” – one of his followers.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Wish I could give @Darth_Algar a QA every minute for the next week.

I’ll stay up

stanleybmanly's avatar

@Yellowdog I think you are wrong on your assessment of the sentiments of Trump’s opposition. He is indeed vile, but he’s nobody’s “iron-fisted dictator”. I sadly agree with you that Trump’s constiuency consists in large part of “ordinary” people – people probably as qualified as himself to fill the office he presently occupies. And it won’t be those “ordinary” people compiling nor reading those histories on Trump. The inescapable verdict so far is that the man neither understands nor is willing to learn the most basic aspects on the workings of the government he oversees-another attribute he shares with the people who support him.

JLeslie's avatar

Assuming nothing totally tragic happens, I’m going to say that “we” citizens from both parties, will go down in history as being horrible to each other. Name calling, hypocrisy, lies, threats. It is a shameful time in my opinion. I mean crap, just that Kathy Griffin thing is like the icing on the cake. WTF?! I’m embarrassed to say I’m a Democrat with the shit that has gone on.

This is either a very bad bump in the road, or the beginning of the end.

Really sad.

Darth_Algar's avatar

The Kathy Griffith thing is the inevitable result of the GOP’s courtship with hatemongers.

Yellowdog's avatar

Try explaining to 8th graders why there are no news stories for their current events assignments about what happened in Israel or Saudi Arabia—but only that Trump gets two scoops of ice cream or is phsycologically unhinged or getting fat. Try explaining the severed head to fifth graders— try explaining an incest joke about the president and his daughter to a 13 year old boy who is confused about how he is supposed to react. Is this acceptable?

A lot of commentary was made by the Left that children would think bullying and womanizing was the new norm if Trump is president But that’s not what children are seeing. They are seeing non-news and scandals with no hard evidence and severed heads and incest jokes as being normal.

Darth_Algar's avatar

“If Ivanka wasn’t my daughter I’d date her.”

“You can call her (Ivanka) a piece of ass.”

JLeslie's avatar

@Darth_Algar I’m afraid if I respond to you it will take the Q off track.

Darth_Algar's avatar

Well you’ve already announced it, might as well say it.

ucme's avatar

A period of mass hysteria defined by collective whining on a scale not seen since prohibition.

LostInParadise's avatar

I don’t know what historians will say. I still can’t comprehend how Trump got elected. He not only supports the wealthy over everyone else, but his whole persona is disgusting – a crude lying narcissist. It is said that we get the president we deserve. Can that really be true?

stanleybmanly's avatar

@Yellowdog You have a valid point in stating that tasteless things are said about as well as done to Trump. But the right has a tough sell passing off such treatment of the Donald as unwarranted persecution. Trump’s in a tough position in any situation where it’s his word against any other individual or organization. So casual is his relationship with the truth, that any defense from him regarding his psychotic gaffes is useless. Of course stand up comics are going to mercilessly ridicule the man. It’s their job and and Trump pretty much assures they will grow rich doing it. The guy just crawls with reliable opportunities generated at a breathtaking pace.

But I’m far less worried about Trump’s bad press disillusioning impressionable 8 year olds. And no one with any sense at all can pretend that the perpetual, missteps, gaffes and bungling are somehow creations of the “dishonest” press. Nope. If you want to be concerned about what our kids take away from this embarrassment of buffoonery, how about the notion that an arrogant, oafish, ignorant clown can be ensconced in the Presidency of the United States

Yellowdog's avatar

Actually, Lostinparadise—virtually ALL of Trump’s supporters were American workers who felt forgotten. I do not know ANY wealthy people who did not vote for Hillary or Obama,

Wealthy people boast that they are enlightened—and that Trump supporters are boorish and uneducated and poor. But these same wealthy people in the Hillary campaign and on college campuses preach to the poor that they are the ones who have their best interests.

Hillary campaigned at two African American churches in Memphis on one Sunday morning last July. It was political of course—and she talked with a phony African American accent. Some were duped, but others saw through it. Hillary represents the interests of her own social class.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

@Yellowdog Trump is trying to join the upper class and play to their money.

Hillary’s background includes supporting the poor, people of color and immigrants not the what Trump and his supports wanted. The people that are viewed as of lesser value and cause the government to spend money for housing, food, meds, hospital and education.

The hardcore Trump supporters in my area wear white sheets and still burn crosses and are not tolerant of anyone not lily white and southern.

Darth_Algar's avatar

The hardcore Trump supporters I know are now outraged that the policies they voted for might (surprise) actually effect them as well and not just “those people”.

LostInParadise's avatar

@Yellowdog , Trump campaigned on cutting taxes for the rich and eliminating corporate regulations. The immediate beneficiaries of such policies are the wealthy, who are disproportionately Republican to begin with. It could be that working class Trump supporters believed in trickle down economics and seriously thought that coal mining jobs will be increasing, but, even if that theory had any validity, it would be a secondary effect.

kritiper's avatar

@Darth_Algar I’ve noticed that, too.

stanleybmanly's avatar

How about unhappy people eager for any excuse to stick a thumb in the eye of every entrenched politician?

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