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Are the people who think Bill Gates is evil right wing Christians?

Asked by JLeslie (65743points) June 11th, 2017 from iPhone

Not that I mean all Christians on the right think this, I just mean it’s coming from what I guess is a subgroup of them. I just found out some people think Bill Gates is evil. They cite that he gives vaccines, feeds people GMO foods, and owns a seed bank, and has patents on the seeds. It came up because there was an outbreak of polio in Syria from the vaccine. I don’t know if it was his organization administering that particular vaccine.

All I can figure is this idea is something that circulates through the right wing. I googled a little and they compare Gates to Nazis and using eugenics. Sounds like that same Planned Parenthood bullshit to me. I guess maybe his organization helps with birth control on those countries too? I don’t know that to be the case, but it would make sense.

What do you know about this line of thinking? Am I on the right track? I was shocked to see this. Gates is trying to improve the world I think. Rid it of diseases like polio.

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elbanditoroso's avatar

I sure wouldn’t blame all Christians, and not all right wingers. A couple of points:

- the far left has also criticized Gates and his foundation for some of the same things (GMO foods, seed bank, etc.). Sometimes with a different rationale, but the criticism winds up being the same. Which just proves that at the extremes, the far left is not much different from the far right.

- One hallmark of the far right (mostly conservative, mostly religious) is that they have no solutions, only criticisms. They don’t like GMO foods, but they have no solutions for feeding the hungry. They don’t like vaccines, but their solution is to let people die. It’s far easier to criticize something than it is to SOLVE it. Because solving it means acknowledging science and rational thought, and they hate that.

You see this same dynamic in the US House of Representatives.

- The far right wing will never be satisfied. Even if Jesus himself were to reappear (and that’s a real long shot) they would be arguing about what took him so log.

My conclusion – most of the far right conservative religions whining is just noise. The babble to themselves in order to feel happy. And to keep the money flowing in. (and note, the far left does the same thing).

Dutchess_III's avatar

Who is saying Bill Gates is evil? Are they posting this on social media? LOL!!

chyna's avatar

So does it have to be right wing Christians? Can’t it also be right wing non Christians?

Zaku's avatar

I like to think I am generally the opposite of the sort of position “right-wing Christian” brings to mind. However, I basically agree with the thinking of the objections you mentioned.

I don’t think Bill Gates is evil per se. In fact I think he’s quite likeable as multi-billionaires go, in many ways, especially in terms of his charitable donations and his foundation. (Though even though he has given huge amounts of money in charity, it has practically no limiting impact on his lifestyle, so I tend to think that people of little wealth who give a higher fraction of their wealth to charity as actually being more generous.)

But yes, I do agree with the lines of thinking you mention, that important aspects of those acts of charity are cause for concern and possible condemnation as “evil” and/or having very negative aspects.

I resent the labeling of such views as “extremist”. I think that’s an attempt to invalidate what seem like excellent objections that deserve to be thoroughly shown to be false, or else should be cause for grave concern. Patenting DNA? Buying the “intellectual property rights” to the DNA and use of ancient traditional crop seeds from people who are starving, in exchange for GMO seeds which are bioengineered not to be re-plantable, and which spread in the wind and taint other crops, making them also have patented GMO elements? It’s not “extremist” to be concerned about that. It seems to me it’s “extremely foolish” to not be concerned about that.

Etc.

As for not having solution to feed people, that’s utter bullshit. GMO is not needed to feed people.

stanleybmanly's avatar

There’s nothing Gates or anyone else can do that isn’t going to piss off somebody. I’ve heard people bitch about Mother Teresa and the “scams” she inflicted on the poor.

RedDeerGuy1's avatar

Just waiting for computers to be Krang chip upgraded. Louis leon paradem. – botz master.

Darth_Algar's avatar

Those views aren’t confined to right wingers. Both wings have their kooks.

JLeslie's avatar

First, I never said all Christians.

Second, sure left wing Christians might be concerned too, but the left wing generally doesn’t listen to the same stuff about planned parenthood and eugenics and that Gates is trying to change the population like Hitler did. I completely reject that idea. I’ve personally only heard a subset of right wing Christians suggest all that garbage about Sanger and PP and that the organization is trying to kill black and other minority babies. That is political garbage to try to get minorities into the Republican Party. A large percentage of minorities are religious, and their social values on many issues line up with the Republicans, but most still have an allegiance to the Democrats.

Next, I agree, being concerned about GMO seems like a valid thing to investigate, I’m not sure how I feel about it.

Additionally, I’m not going to get all bent out of shape if his organization uses the oral polio vaccine. We only completely stopped using it is the year 2000 in America even though we knew it can cause polio in some people, who spend time around the newly vaccinated who aren’t immune themselves. I hate that this can happen. Maybe they need to have more information to help avoid that. Like in the US they used to advise grandparents who hadn’t been vaccinated to stay away for a few weeks. They also can not give the triple viral, because it’s type two that usually causes the problem.

I believe Gates does things because he feels it will lead to a better world, but I don’t know that that will be the end result.

His charity is said to be one of the most transparent. I don’t know if that’s true. He is trying to address hunger, education, and eradicating polio, probably other vaccines are on his list, but polio really seems within reach of completely wiping it off the planet.

Even though I’m pretty positive about what I think his intentions are, I still was very interested where my thinking might have been flawed, so I appreciate all the answers thus far, and I hope we get more.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

The only person I’ve ever met that thought Gates was an evil monopolist and cooperative with totalitarian governments for the sake of selling his products, was a young man about 22 in a college coffee shop. The opinion appeared to be a popular one with his associates. Since then I’ve associated that opinion with millennials, not fundies. I don’t think much about what the flat-earthers think. Once someone tells me that the earth is only 4,000 years old, or so, I stop listening and they are immediately marginalized.

JLeslie's avatar

@Espiritus_Corvus When it comes to Microsoft I might think differently. He obviously had an element of capitalistic greed there. I criticize Steve Jobs much more heavily I this topic, I think Apple is pretty horrible with how they make only their accessories to fit their products, for years they only had a deal with AT&T for iPhones, and Jobs was like diva designers who don’t want to listen to what people want, but rather he feels he knows what everyone should want. To his credit he has a lot of loyal groupie followers, I don’t get it.

Back to Gates, I really think the comment by a friend’s friend was not about the conglomerate he built around computer technology, but specifically what he does in the name of charity. It started with a status and a link about the polio cases in Syria. When she commented he was evil, and I asked why she said that, she wrote, Starving children without nutrition, sanitation, sewage, and clean water and he’s out there pumping them full of chemicals. He throws money Monsanto for chemicals and genetically modifying food and for some reason owns a seed bank and is trying to patent seeds. Devil.

Just now I googled, and found these articles:

http://evil.news/2016-04-14-all-vaccine-research-eventually-leads-to-bill-gates-and-nazi-eugenics-vaccines-used-as-vector-for-depopulation-experiments.html

http://www.newstarget.com/2017-01-04-the-three-most-evil-globalists-alive-today-george-soros-jeff-bezos-and-bill-gates.html

Um, yeah, I’m sticking with parts of the right being a little crazy talk on this. Not that there may not be some valid things to seriously look at, but mostly it looks like anti-liberal, full of scare tactics, and bullshit. I didn’t realize how much bullshit until I started googling. I do think this is traveling through the fundies emails.

ucme's avatar

No, just fucking idiots

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

@JLeslie that lunatic conspiracy fringe that happens to be on far right may as well be their own group. They eat up conspiracy porn and they have a huge internet presence. I don’t believe their numbers are actually that large though. The people who really take it seriously that is. Most of that stuff is in reality made for entertainment but sold as serious like the sensational news mags that used to be in the checkout line at the grocery store. The real numbers of people who hate Bill Gates are rather equally spread between the isle with the only real beef against him coming from the fringe anti-capitalist left.

JLeslie's avatar

^^Interesting that both sides dislike him for various reasons. Lol. I don’t think the “fringe” on either side is as small as you think in this case. Supposedly, everyone is waiting for the left to morph into a purely socialist party, which I hope doesn’t happen. I think on the right at least half the Republicans in Bible Belt are on board with the rants against Planned Parenthood. I have a lot of friends who babble about Sanger and eugenics and that if PP closes other places will open to service women.

flutherother's avatar

Angels have right wings and left wings, Christians have Christianity.

JLeslie's avatar

People can go on and on about being annoyed about naming Christians, but I really don’t get why people are so offended. @jca recently named the Hassidic Jews as a group she sees with 10 children collecting welfare on a Q about the poor having lots of children, I don’t get offended as a Jew that those Jews use the system like that.

It’s not that all Christians are against Planned Parenthood and the HPV vaccine for 12 year olds. It’s that if you come across someone who is, they are likely to be Christian and republican. Plus, Gates wants higher taxes, and multiple other things they don’t like.

Anyone bothered by the use of Christian Right Wing, or Christian Extremists, I hope doesn’t use Extremist Muslim in their vocabulary. Actually, I don’t like using those terms come to think of it, so I’ll get rid of the Christian part and just say “the people” against those things. Ok, I came full circle. I’ll try not to do that anymore.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I’m curious…where did you hear that some Christians believe Bill Gates is evil? First time I’ve heard that one.

JLeslie's avatar

^^Like I said, it was a comment on Facebook, but by her answer, and knowing she is a Christian living in Texas, I kind of got the idea that it sounded like the same people who hate Planned Parenthood, and listen to hysterics about vaccines. Not anti-vaxxers, it’s different, they are against the HPV vaccine, and say the left purposely does things to curb black population growth. Anyway, now, after googling, I see all sorts of biased stuff against Bill Gates, I put up some links above. But, like jellies have pointed out, both extremes have reasons to dislike him. It was the first I had heard of him being called evil also.

Dutchess_III's avatar

She mentioned in on Social Media, probably using Windows. THAT is wonderfully ironic and hypocritical!

Pandora's avatar

There will always be people to criticize good work. Often those who wish they were on the receiving end of the charity but aren’t, or those who know they could do as much but feel that it makes them look cheap and selfish. He does a lot to give back. I admire him and his wife for that. Kudos to anyone who is at least taking a stab at making the world a better place.

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