Is this a good argument for the existence of global warming?

Um, there is proof. The geologic record clearly shows it. It is happening now and has been even before our questionable contribution. If you are talking about human caused there is without doubt but the magnitude is rather small and the consequences are uncertain and poorly understood. The doomsdayers and deniers cloud this up considerably more. It’s also political as hell. Will we err on the side of caution or throw it in the wind? I personally feel that until we get realistic about it there will not be much resolution, just a political clusterfuck.

If I remember correctly, the pine beetle problem was mentioned in former vice president Al Gore’s 2007 film “An Inconvenient Truth.”

@ARE_you_kidding_me please see This. Tell us again how the magnitude is rather small?

That’s CO2 not warming dutch. Nobody can credibly dispute CO2 rise.

But you just did.

From this link:
”…is the most important long-lived “forcing” of climate change.”

In what way? It is known how much CO2 rise there is. We know that it should cause some warming. We don’t know how much it is actually affecting our climate, what the consequences, benefits or hodgepodge of both will be. You will of course, find the internet, universities, federal agencies, real scientists, fake ones and everyone else has “the answer” to that question.

And you will disregard universities, federal agencies, scientists and everyone else with any credibility and years of education, because you “just know.”

When said people agree to the degree the doomsdayers say they do I will be onboard. I have no idea, that’s the thing, but I know enough to have a healthy level of skeptecism about some of the doom and gloom. That’s not denial, so don’t pull that bullshit.

One thing that can not be argued is that we will run out of fossil fuels, sooner than later. Global warming aside, we have to find alternate, renewable forms of energy. So the argument about whether it’s real or not is moot.

I agree, besides burning shit for electricity is just stupid. Renewables will be part of the equation but unless we find some magic bullet nuclear is what we will be left with. I’m actually ok with that at least for now as a bridge. Getting people to stop mitigating or magnifying the issue at hand is mucking up the normal process of problem solving.

And minimizing it is far worse. It stops people from backing the efforts or doing their own part. It convinces them it isn’t necessary. And now we have an idiot for a president who is on that side.

Blowing it out of proportion has about the same effect of crying wolf. I’d argue that any amount of bullshit, profiteering, political meddling or anything that would otherwise taint the facts has a minimizing effect. Trump saw the doomsdayer banter as a crock and it appears to have pushed him into the alt-right Global Warming is conspiracy crowd ( also a crock) Depends on who you ask.

Here is another article (from Bloomberg Businessweek, not exactly a traditionally green source).

It’s not being blown out of proportion. It is a crisis looming. It will hit the next generation like a bomb.

Interesting.

Global warming and Bark Beetle damage can be related.

Droughts cause by global warming stress can weaken trees. Some species of trees are more susceptible than others. Week trees are easier for Bark Beetles to attack and kill. Sometimes opportunistic fungi get in on the acting of killing trees after the start of the Bark Beetle infestation.

@ARE_you_kidding_me Have you seen Al Gore’s film? Maybe you should. There is quit a bit of info there about CO2 and rising temperatures.

Sure but you would be assume that there isn’t a huge amount of people who deny gobal warming because they simply don’t care about anything that isn’t affecting them immediately.

I’ll give an example. For years scientist have been complaining about the bee population going down which will be bad for our agriculture. But so long as there is food on the table, people will continue to kill bees and spray insecticide in their back yards to kill all bugs, which will include bees.