How is it possible that Trump is so clueless?

Trump, like most Republicans, is detached from reality…

You mean there aren’t nazis and racists “on all sides”?

It would be interesting to speak to a nazi, who is liberal. I’ve never heard of one, but there must be.

I’m sure there are racists too, but again, never heard of them…

I read an article today that said the Nazis at Charlottesville were Jews in disguise. Diabolical! ~~

“There were violent people on both sides.” There were. There were the Neo-nazi groups on one side and on the other side there was ANTIFA. Both are groups that promote and have a long history of violence..

@stanleybmanly Just curious, what do you think are the practical implications when a president denounces racism?

He was simply stating something that should be obvious, there was fault on both sides and both sides need to be called out for it. Failure to think past binary good/bad on things like this leaves me deeply concerned for the mental fortitude of Americans. It’s no wonder there is a deep divide.

Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t think of both crowds as extremists. Sure, both sides had extremists, but one side had way more. I’ve been to protests like this, and the right is always trying to start problems. That makes them look better. It has been a tactic they have employed for decades. Go start a protest, and coax the detractors into a fight. When you call a black person the “N” word enough, punches get thrown. Maybe it isn’t the adult thing to do. But neither is creating a problem, just to record the reaction.

The POTUS clearly calls for, and supports such action. So, game on…

@MrGrimm888 sorry but this is not just a right wing tactic, it’s a universal one and quite frankly it’s used on the left a lot more. Also these motherfuckers are not “the right wing” they’re terrorists on the frindge. I would not lump the instigators on the other side looking for a fight with “the left wing” either. This is why the divide is so vast. People only see good or evil on one side or the other. This is just not reality. Reality is grey all over.

Reality is certainly grey. But if someone knowingly aligns themselves with nazis, I don’t consider them different…

That’s just me…

@kenwor I’m going to duck your question by referring you to the consequences for a politician lacking the judgement to denounce racism when the issue is raised. That is what is crucial here. The man lacks the foresight to decry racism. This lack of discernment is actually more perilous and threatening for us than the fact that Trump doesn’t give a shit about racists or racism. The fool lacks the sense to even PRETEND that he gives a shit.

What consequences? You didn’t mention any.

LOL. Trump has been dealing with the fallout… His days are just no fun anymore….

@kenwor When this thing first erupted, a simple “Nazis are bad, and I want nothing to do with them” would have done the trick. The practical consequence would be that Trump would deprive his opposition of another weapon with which to beat him over the head. Instead the man emerges from the toolshed daily to offer up some new implement to announce “take this and go to work on me”.

The Nazi issue was going on prior to his presidency. It didn’t stop him from being elected. If it wasn’t an issue before, it doesn’t stand to reason that it will be consequential now that he is president. All the more reason not to alienate a voting block if it isn’t necessary. When it comes to politics, voters judge on performance.

Not an issue? You consider the current uproar inconsequential? Preferable not to alienate the Nazis? Then why the need to return this morning to attempt exactly that?

Like I mentioned earlier, the uproar was going on before the election. Why would the uproar be any different now? Same Nazi issue. Voters didn’t care about it then and they won’t care about it now. They care about performance.

As for alienating the Nazis, Trump’s latest response was condemnation of both sides and he singled out the alt-left for the hate/violence. It’s up for interpretation, but to me it indicates he has regret alienating the Nazis in his previous response. Maybe not. It certainly isn’t clear cut enough to automatically denounce Nazis. Most voters aren’t single issue voters.

So if performance is THE issue, would you judge the reaction to his behavior an enhancement to his ability to perform? If Trump has an agenda, what are his odds of achieving any of it in view of the perpetual turmoil? Alt left?

Who is mostly in an uproar? Voters who didn’t vote Trump. There is no perpetual turmoil. Small, isolated incidents aren’t indicators of social unrest. The national crime rate has been dropping since the 1990s.

Alt-left is referring to antifa, black lives matter, and marxists.

Voters who didn’t vote for Trump- the majority of voters. No perpetual turmoil? Would you accept daily turmoil? And which is the “small isolated incident” the vehicular homicides or Trump’s reaction to it? And again, do you believe all of this helps or hinders his ability to get anything done?

Popular vote doesn’t win you the white house. Like I mentioned earlier, crime rates in this country have been declining since the 1990s. Whatever violence is going on in the country is small and isolated. I was referring to all the violence in Charlottesville that day.

I believe this neither helps or hinders his ability to get anything done. Conservatives own all 3 branches of government. If they want to change policies, they can get it done. Republicans in name only (rino) are the reason Trump can’t get it done.

@kenwor Welcome to Fluther Republicans in name only (rino)

I’ve always been amused when people identify themselves as Republican but consider those who have held elected leadership roles in that same party for decades as “in name only”. That’s a term I first heard used by Sean Hannity, who has absolutely no credibility to me.

@kenwor “Who is mostly in an uproar? Voters who didn’t vote Trump.”

It has been firmly established that the political bloc referred to as “white supremacist groups” favored Trump in the last election, by their own admittance. It has also been established, by witnesses on all sides and video evidence, that these were the instigators of the violence in Charleston. Their leadership is bragging about it on their sites as I write this.

Go to their sites. They are very interesting and informative. They are openly making plans to incite more civil unrest and have been doing it for decades.

LOL. Personally, I think Vegas promoters should cordone off an area in the Nevada desert, give white supremacists and ANTIFA three months to prepare, then let them have at it. The whole thing can be covered by TV helicopters and drones like we do at football games. Advertising can be sold, odds given, bets made, and the end result is that we would all be safer and some of us richer than before. We can make it an annual event, like the Super Bowl. Go team, go!

@Strauss You don’t believe they’re rinos? Look up the republican platform and then tell me what they have done in all their years in office to honor it? Even now, with full control of all 3 branches of government, how much have they accomplished to honor the republican party’s platform? Not much. Rinos.

@Espiritus_Corvus How are Nazis in an uproar an indication of severe turmoil? They’re less than 0.003% of the population. In what practical way do the Nazis inhibit presidential leadership? How do they inhibit the republican dominance of three branches of government from implementing the policies they want?

Hey, @kenwor. I wrote nothing that indicated severe turmoil. This is schoolboy shit compared to what we experienced in the 1960s and early 70’s. As for your other questions, I’ve written nothing on this thread that would elicit them, so answer them yourself. I haven’t the interest to do so. Troll someone else.

Calm down. I’m not trolling you. I’m trying to figure out why on earth did you quote me if your response isn’t related to turmoil. Was it to just inform me anti-trumpers aren’t the only ones in an uproar? What was the point of that? Your response has nothing to do with the issue Stanley and I were discussing..

I quoted you because your statement was false, then gave reference to factual evidence that disproves it. You indulge in hyperbole and attempt to twist the issue from the truth. It is opinions like yours that are responsible for the widespread perverted perceptions of fact one finds on the net today. My response had everything to do with that.

My statement can’t be false because I didn’t use absolute terms. Notice I used the term mostly, not all. After-all, you quoted and bolded it. Accusing me of hyperbole when you use a strawman argument? Have you no sense of irony?

Oh, fuck you and your strawman, schoolboy. What does “mostly” mean, exactly? Let me see some numbers, let me see some citations from respected sources stating that most of the people “in an uproar” are people who didn’t vote for Trump. And while you’re at it, you can tell us what being in an “uproar” means. You want to talk fallacies. Why don’t we start with Hasty Generalization.

First apologize and admit you used a straw man argument. Only then I will oblige your other inquiries. Your straw man argument was caused by your poor reading comprehension. If you really are a man of truth, you won’t let pride get in the way of admitting your moment of weakness.

Maybe you really think mostly means all? Is that your new argument?

^Why do you say “I think Trump will have his eight years?”..

He likely will be gone before four

@MrGrimm888 Why are you asking?

I asked you first.

@MrGrimm888 I mean why are you asking me this question here if you read the reasons I gave in the other question.

@kenwor Is it your position that Trump is the personification of the ideal Republican?

The practical consequences to a quick and decisive denunciation of racism immediately upon its eruption is that it puts the issue to rest, and allows the “President” to get on with the business of leading and governing the country. The “both sides are guilty” argument is frightfully stupid and must guarantee any fool proffering it a torrent of shit. This incident in particular illustrates the problem, because it involves NAZIS. The other side? The other side just happens to be an outfit whose EXCLUSIVE purpose is the defiance of Nazis. Trump’s problems have nothing to do with Rinos. The man himself is just plain radioactive.

I think our friend @kenwor has left the building…...

@kenwor . If you already stated why, then it shouldn’t hurt to reiterate, or elaborate…