What does the other side say about male, female, transgender?

Whoever came up with that bullshit should not discuss gender issues anymore.
They probably shouldn’t be left with kids either.

The other side says: “Fuck it, I ain’t even gonna be bothered responding to this utter crap.”?

Nobody fucking thinks that. Nobody. Where are you getting this idea? Let it go.

Source?

The other side says:
People can’t be defined by their anatomy, whether it’s eye color, height or reproductive organs etc.

If those traits do not define them why change them then?

Nobody thinks that? just like no president thinks/says that the white supremacists and the opposing group are similar/ comparable?

@rebbel are you mostly focusing on the And they don’t need to feel like they need to be fixed. The disease should be cured even if they don’t want it to be. Something is wrong with the ones who don’t want to be fixed. part?

Two sides of what? Gender identity is about more than liking stereotypically gendered activities. Sex reassignment surgeries are individual choices people make, because bodily autonomy is a thing—not something people “should” or “shouldn’t” do for arbitrary reasons. In no way is being transgender a disease, and in no way are sex reassignment surgeries “cures,” which would imply there was a disease to fix. There is nothing wrong with anyone’s gender identity, no matter how well it matches or doesn’t match contemporary gender norms.

Here’s a video that might be helpful. It technically goes into more than just transgender, but it covers a lot of ground and explains the interactions between several dimensions of identity (specifically in relation to sex, gender, and attraction) in a concise way.

Show me a source for even one person who believes what you wrote. Show me. Seriously, I’ll wait.

@Sneki2 1)Same question to you as to @rebbel
and 2) I’m trying to understand your 2nd post.

Is this for real?
Flo….I’m sorry but you’re off the rails here.

And @flo we are trying to understand your post. Where did you get your quote and who is “the other side”?

@Soubresaut What does the other side say? is the question. If you’re a woman and you feel like climbing trees you can climb trees or become a president or whatever else are “manly” things. What does it have to do with switching your body parts? Nothing is what the other side says.

WHAT IS this mysterious “other side” you are speaking of @flo

@flo I’m quoting what the other side said.
In response to all what ‘the one side’ said.

Is the last part And they don’t need to feel like they need to be fixed. The disease should be cured even if they don’t want it to be. Something is wrong with the ones who don’t want to be fixed. satirical? Yes.

@flo—I understand that’s the question, but I don’t understand what the sides belong to. I have never seen the side you mention in the OP, nor the one you explain a couple of posts above mine, and I can only guess what larger topic they belong to. The topic sounds vaguely like a misunderstanding of transgender rights and gender roles, though, so I posted a video that might provide some more clarity on what those things mean. (And maybe not, since it covers many concepts fairly quickly, but I don’t know another video off the top of my head.)

@Soubresaut Find a flaw with the opposing or other side:
Don’t be thinking about being to short (or whatever else, to be a…(pick a profession, trade) just go for it, don’t be brainwahsed by what you see in pop culture etc.

@flo It might be because English isn’t my native language, thus, possibly, I’m failing to fully understand what’s written, but I must say that I absolutely have no idea what you are on about…
To me, all you have written so far, combined, doesn’t make any sense.
But I will keep following, maybe it’ll get clearer to me.

This question makes no sense and the OP’s explanations about her question make no sense, to me.

@flo: Everyone seems to be in agreement (which is rare, on Fluther), that what you wrote is very hard to comprehend.

@flo What?

WHO IS THE OTHER SIDE?

@flo “Don’t be thinking about being to short (or whatever else, to be a…(pick a profession, trade) just go for it, don’t be brainwahsed by what you see in pop culture etc.”

Sure, that’s a fine attitude. What on earth does it have to do with transgender?

I am going to make a guess here, and assume @flo that you’re trying to say:

Anatomy, including biological sex, shouldn’t matter to a person; the “parts” they’re born with shouldn’t affect the way they view themselves.

Is that close?

If so, I’m not sure what conclusion you’re trying to draw from it.

It is:

a. And therefore no one should have sex reassignment surgery. They are the biological sex they were born with, along with the gender roles associated with that biological sex. It doesn’t matter how they feel about it, because it shouldn’t have any bearing on how they feel about themselves.

Or:

b. And therefore no one should care whether someone presenting as female has a penis, or someone presenting as male has a vagina. Their anatomy doesn’t define their identity, they do.

Or does that misrepresent your point? In that case, where am I going wrong? I’m just trying to make sure I understand.

The only sides in this situation are people who are OK with transgender people, and people who are not OK with transgender people. Neither of these sides make any difference as to whether actual people consider themselves to be transgender people.

What do you still not understand about this situation? We’re trying to help you, but you are being willfully ignorant.

Would it help if Chaz Bono and Kaitlyn Jenner came to your house and explained it to you? You do know that they are a transgender man and a transgender woman, respectively,right? They exist. I even know some transgender people. They exist. It kind of reminds me of This Familiar TV Commercial

Here is Chaz Bono Talking about Being Transgender

Here is Kaitlyn Jenner Talking about Being Transgender right before his transformation from Bruce to Kaitlyn.

I hope this makes this word “transgender” more clear to you.

For the love of God, who is on the other side, the devil?

@flo have you been to see your doctor lately? I’m a little worried about you.

@flo I second @ARE_you_kidding_me You seem harder and harder to understand in recent weeks.

One side says:Females who feel confident about math, good at math, like sports, mechanics, rambunctious as a child, etc. should be fixed to become males . . . (etc)

WHAT? Who says that?

Let me make a wild guess here. @flo is stating an argument, and he wants us to think of another argument against that argument. Is it correct?

If so then this question isn’t really as nonsensical as many of us believe. It’s just that @flo has been asking a lot questions about transgenders recently that makes me a bit worried. Is this question attempting to get our opinion? Is this asking us to help the OP change his mind?

@flo I don’t know which side is the “other” side.

By that thinking, I should be a morphidite.

“She often has no point.” – A Few Good Men Who Are All Transgender And Don’t Know It.

@rebbel
https://www.fluther.com/202853/what-does-feeling-like-a-man-or-like-a-woman-mean/#quip3400872
“Where it concerns my emotions, my feelings, my thinking, I not so much feel male, nor female…, just human.”

I’m sorry, @flo, I just have no clue where you are coming from and what you want to state.
Why don’t you focus on answering some people in the thread that asked you questions regarding your original post.
So far you haven’t done that, you just threw up new (unclear) questions to some of us.
I don’t know why you posted my answer to another question, other than that the subject matter is similar.

What other side? This is the problem in the country.

I’m 90% sure the OP is having a conversation entirely on their own, without our assistance. I’m going to do my part to keep it that way.

Did we ever find out what the elusive “other side” is?

So, everyone here is saying the side in the detail of the OP is horrible. Okay. So, it follows that the other side is the opposite of horrible. Thanks all.

@flo, I think most of us are asking for a little more clarity on the two sides.

Also, I’m sorry if I overstepped when I tried to rephrase it above.

WE DON“T KNOW WHAT THE “SIDES” ARE!!

@flo I’m not being a jerk, I really think you need to tell us “your story” because what you write is not making logical sense.

@flo We really, really, want to understand where you’re coming from but you have to let us know what this mysterious ” other side” is.

@flo Some of us are wondering what you mean by sides.

Do you believe that there are transgender people? If not, why not?

Do you not truly understand what “transgender” means? If not, what clarification do you need?

Are you just grossed out by the idea of transgender people? If so, why do you suppose that is?

Are you trying to find out if being transgender is right or wrong? I don’t think that is how you can look at it. It just is.

If you answer some of our questions, it will make things more clear for us. Nobody said the details of the OP were horrible. The details of the OP are unclear. We need clarification so that we may give better answers. Where did you get the information? What is it trying to say?

@flo: ”So, everyone here is saying the side in the detail of the OP is horrible. Okay. So, it follows that the other side is the opposite of horrible. Thanks all”

It seems to me that you presented an argument that nobody actually believes and are framing it as “this is what it means to be ‘pro trans rights’”. You got us to denounce this fake view point and now you seem to be saying that this proves that ‘anti trans rights’ people are correct.

2 big problems with this.

1. Your original post in no way represents what people who support transgender individuals believe, as I’ve already stated. Literally nobody believes the shit from your original post. I asked you to show me even one person who believes that and you have not done so.

2. Believing one thing is horrible does not mean its opposite is not horrible. Here’s an example. I think “kill all black people” is a horrible viewpoint. That doesn’t mean I support “kill all white people.” That’s also a horrible viewpoint.

You would benefit from learning even a tiny bit about transgender issues before trying to argue about them ever again.

Again, thanks.
You gave me the answer.

By the way, the opposite of Clean street X is not Clean street Y it’s Don’t clean street X

You do realize that your obfuscation makes it hard for us to engage with you seriously on your questions.

Where’s the answer??!! Where??!!

It’s not even worthy of asking for clarification. I feel like we’re getting dicked around.

…But you gave me the answer. If you don’t believe it’s answered, go ahead answer it.

…You can also address @Mariah for example:
with:
@flo is right re. your statement about the opposites in your last post ....”

I feel like I’m in Alice in Wonderland.

We don’t know what answer was given to you, or who gave it to you.

@flo You example about, about dirty streets and clean streets is an example of opposites. So are you saying the opposite of transgendered is not transgendered? And is the “not transgendered” people that you’re referring to when you talk about the “other side?”
If so that would be everyone on this thread. No one here is transgendered I don’t think.

Once again, this doesn’t make sense and the OP won’t tell us what she means. I give up.

Every single post is an an answer. That’s why I haven’t flagged any post like: I’m worried about you have you seen the doctor lately.

I’m worried about you have you seen the doctor lately doesn’t answer the question.

@flo, go see a doctor, I’m totally serious. You are not coherent at all.

Are you on medications @flo?
Ww are not being sarcastic here, we are truly interested if you are having some sort of cognitive difficulties as you are not making sense nor able to answer simple, clear and direct questions.