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Did Socrates have a (NSFW) relationship with his student Plato?

Asked by RedDeerGuy1 (24944points) October 17th, 2017

Seeing it was common at the time. From masters and students.

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Hawaii_Jake's avatar

This is completely unknown and unknowable. Socrates had scores of students under him.

RedDeerGuy1's avatar

@Hawaii_Jake Did any ancient teachers have a (NSFW) relationship that is proved? hmm Socrates had scores of students under him .. hehe I asked my philosophy professor in 1999 and he never thought of it before. He doesn’t know.

elbanditoroso's avatar

I always thought it was a Platonic relationship.

Love_my_doggie's avatar

@Hawaii_Jake Socrates had scores of students under him.

(“Beavis and Butthead” voice) Huh huh, huh huh…“under him.”

Don’t get annoyed with me. I just had a single glass of white wine, which is about my limit.

LostInParadise's avatar

Not likely. Plato wrote about Socrates’ relationships with younger men Plato says that Socrates was attracted but refrained from any physical contact. Part of the idea of the philosopher king was that one of the reasons they would make superior rulers was that they went beyond the purely physical realm.

CWOTUS's avatar

It wouldn’t surprise me completely, as the practice has been pretty well known for centuries. The scholarly excerpt from @LostInParadise seems to say otherwise in this particular case, however, until (unless) some better and conflicting scholarship is cited.

But as to the commonality and tacit acceptance of the practice (even though technically outlawed), read this about bacha bazi in Afghanistan and elsewhere in Central Asia.

RocketGuy's avatar

I heard they believed that real love could only be between men.

Pinguidchance's avatar

Perhaps the final words on this subject should be:

“Crito, we owe a rooster to Asclepius. Please, don’t forget to pay the debt.”

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LogicHead's avatar

Oops !! You’ve proven that you haven’t read Plato .

Don’t forget the argument from reason against homosexuality too. Plato and Socrates in the Gorgias.

SOCRATES: And here, Callicles, I would have you consider how

you would reply if consequences are pressed upon you, especially if in

the last resort you are asked, whether the life of a homosexual is not

terrible, foul, miserable? Or would you venture to say, that they too

are happy, if they only get enough of what they want?

CALLICLES: Are you not ashamed, Socrates, of introducing such topics

into the argument?

SOCRATES: Well, my fine friend, but am I the introducer of these topics,

or he who says without any qualification that all who feel pleasure in

whatever manner are happy, and who admits of no distinction between good

and bad pleasures? And I would still ask, whether you say that pleasure

and good are the same, or whether there is some pleasure which is not a

good?

CALLICLES: Well, then, for the sake of consistency, I will say that they

are the same.

SOCRATES: You are breaking the original agreement, Callicles, and will

no longer be a satisfactory companion in the search after truth, if you

say what is contrary to your real opinion.

CALLICLES: Why, that is what you are doing too, Socrates.

SOCRATES: Then we are both doing wrong. Still, my dear friend, I would

ask you to consider whether pleasure, from whatever source derived, is

the good; for, if this be true, then the disagreeable consequences which

have been darkly intimated must follow, and many others.

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