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If you don't accept the evidence for evolution, could this article change your mind, or at least get you to thinking about it?

Asked by Dutchess_III (47072points) November 27th, 2017

New species of bird evolved on Galapagos within 40 years.

The wide variety of finches of Galapagos are what caught Darwin’s eye the most readily. They are a big part of the reason he came up with the theory of evolution. He could almost see it happening on Galapagos before his eyes.

What are your thoughts on this?

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RedDeerGuy1's avatar

I believe that It is from a recessive trait that expressed itself from typical birds.

Darth_Algar's avatar

This won’t do anything to persuade people who’s understanding of evolution is “if evolution is real then why don’t my dog become a cat?”.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Actually, it was a male of a different species who landed on the island in 1981, @RedDeerGuy1. He introduced a whole new gene pool. He was close enough in traits that he could mate with one of the species on the island. Eventually the species will become so unrelated that they can’t mate with other species.

I’m afraid you’re right, @Darth_Algar. :(

ragingloli's avatar

“It is still a bird.”

Dutchess_III's avatar

Well, yes. So is a turkey. But it couldn’t mate with a sparrow.

ragingloli's avatar

Does not matter. For Creationists, evolution means “a bird giving birth to a snake”.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Oh! You’re being the devil’s advocate. Got cha.

I was hoping to hear from folks who don’t accept evolution.

RedDeerGuy1's avatar

Could this happen to humans? Where one race can’t reproduce with another?

ragingloli's avatar

you mean like dem gays`?

Dutchess_III's avatar

Eventually it could. Sure. But we’re talking over the course of millions of years. Plus it’s not likely to happen because there are too many of us. Species tend to interact like that because they can’t find a mate of their own. In the article, the male was blown to the island in a storm. He was stranded.

Coyotes breed with wolves. You get a coyowolf. They are similar enough genetically for them to create fertile offspring.

flameboi's avatar

I do believe that we are either an accident, or a product of some alien ant farm… Then religion was introduced as a form of control.

On the lighter side, come to Galápagos! It’s amazing beyond words…

Dutchess_III's avatar

It is amazing. It’s been untouched for so long there are species there that are found no where else on earth. They all evolved from original species that are familiar to us.

Evolution is an accident. If it works we pass it on. If it doesn’t we die and don’t pass it on.

I, personally, think the autism gene, the one that allows some who have it to think like a super- genius about some things, was introduced somehow at some point and it jump started our intellectual development.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

I don’t think we have any young earth creationists here to properly answer.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@RedDeerGuy1 “Could this happen to humans? Where one race can’t reproduce with another?”

You mean race as in like white, black, Asian, etc? No, not really. Despite our outward differences in physical appearance modern humans (Homo sapiens) are extremely genetically homogeneous. Much more so than most other species, even other primates. There’s less genetic difference between the palest white man and the darkest black man than there is between two unrelated chimpanzees at the zoo.

Now it could be that in time some other new species of human arises. We’re certainly not the only species of humans to have existed (Homo erectus, Homo habilis, Homo floresiensis, Homo neanderthalensis are some others), we’re just the last ones standing. If new species of humans do develop we may or may not be able to interbreed with them. It’s unlikely that we could have interbreed with, say, Homo erectus (even if hadn’t existed nearly 2,000,000 years apart), but we do know that we were close enough genetically to breed with Homo neanderthalensis*. In fact there’s strong genetic evidence in modern humans, particularly in humans of European and west Asian ancestry, that humans did interbreed with neanderthals soon after we began the migrations out of Africa.

*Unlike other ancestral human species, Homo neanderthalensis existed recently enough (within the last 40,000 years) that we’ve found a huge amount of their remains and the remains are recent enough to still extract testable DNA from. From what we’re found we and neanderthals are 99.7% genetically identical.

Dutchess_III's avatar

The only way I could see another form of humans evolving is if we sent 50 or so individuals to go live on another planet (archeologists surmise that that’s the number of individuals who crossed the Bering bridge 20,000 years ago, and who are the most recent ancestors of all Native American people.) Over the course of several million years it’s conceivable that they could become an entirely different species. As it is, on earth, there are too many of us and we’re all too closely related.

It has been discovered that everyone with blue eyes goes back to one woman who lived 6,000 to 10,000 years ago. That’s not very long ago. And it means I’m related to Brad Pitt! But you keep on going with certain “mutations” over millions of years and no telling what could happen.

gondwanalon's avatar

It’s still a dinosaur.

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