Should there be repercussions and if so, what should they be?

Do you have a link to that story? I did a search and could not find anything.

You can start here. It’s Breitbart, not CNN or MSNBC, but it’s a start.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/30/cop-accuser-breitbart-interview-unsupported-claims-moore/

@josie , I did not see anything about taking back what was previously said. The strongest criticism was that claims were not supported. That is not the same thing as a retraction.

It wasn’t her story that was the basis for a lot of the character assassination, it was the women that came forward to talk about being abused by Moore.

Breitbart is trying to deflect the truth. And Project Veritas tried to also plant a false story about Moore that could be revealed as false.

What punishment should be impose on @seawulf575 for his unsubstantiated claim? I say that he should be required not to say anything nice about Moore for the next week, which for most people would not be very difficult.

I too can find no evidence of a retraction. The only thing I see is that she could not prove that Moore is a racist segregationist. That is the only admission from her, and the man’s racial attitudes are not the issue (yet).

The Breitbart article says that Gary admitted to making “unsupported claims about Roy Moore” and then goes on to name those unsupported claims, including that Roy Moore “hates Jews”, something that Gary said of Moore but admitted she couldn’t think of any evidence that he actually did. It says that the claim that she was told to go to ball games and keep an eye on Moore is “undocumented”, but it doesn’t feature her retracting the statement. And the mall statement isn’t mentioned at all.

Gary doesn’t sound like a “star witness” to me, and it’s important to know where some of these shocking claims come from, but this isn’t “she made it all up”. That is going too far and doesn’t help the “quest for truth”.

Here is a much more reputable news source, The NY Times: “It was a known fact: Roy Moore liked young girls,” said Faye Gary, a retired Gadsden police officer. “It was treated like a joke. That’s just the way it was.”

Sounds like Breibart took a small chunk of truth and built a myth around it. That’s what sensational news outlets do. The actual truth means nothing to them.

If you look through that article you’ll see a number of people voicing their experiences working with Moore over the years. Most of them were just observers, not victims.

BTW @Demosthenes I think people are trying to tell you that Breibart is not a trustworthy news site. It’s a tabloid, basically.

Even Fox News isn’t reporting on a recant. It was made up.

I do too. People need to check their sources before they just pass stuff around.

@seawulf575 should be punished with the seawulf-cassandra curse of always being able to spell words correctly, eg. repercussion ( a word that’s been ruined for me recently) but not ever being believed by careless spellers.

Sounds like saying she recanted is fake news…

”If” she lied, it’s a very big deal.

I wouldn’t trust a syllable , I heard/read from Breibart. I too, cannot find another source.

If true, it would only be a sliver of the whole story though. All the stuff I’ve heard, that Moore hasn’t rejected, is pointing to him being a scumbag. If he isn’t a sexual predator, he sure does act like one. It doesn’t seem to matter, to his supporters anyway.

@seawulf575 didn’t know that it was fake news. We don’t have to scold him…

But now @seawulf575 knows Breibart publishes fake news. So from now on we get to scold him if he uses it as a reference, right?

^I don’t make the rules. But I would be embarrassed to use Briebart, as a source.

What she did say is that he hated Jews….she says she has no basis for that other than a feeling. She says he hates blacks….she says she has no basis for that other than a feeling. She claims he is a racist and there is actually proof that is not true. She made up a bunch of her initial statement. There is no evidence that any of the rest of her statement (banned from the mall, keeping him away from cheerleaders) is true either. Let’s admit the facts: You have her word and nothing else on any of these claims. The Mall management has no record of ever having anything about Roy Moore and the claim that the cops were supposed to be keeping Moore away from the cheerleaders has not be substantiated by any other cop.

So the question remains…should she be punished for making up these things? Let’s make it more general if that helps you liberal tools get your minds around it: should ANY accusers that are found to make up accusations be punished? Pick the ones against Franken or Coyers or Clinton…if the accusers are proven to be false, should they be punished? I guess the corollary to this would be: should people be allowed to character assassinate political figures with lies?

As others have asked, what is your source? Is there an actual video of an interview or are you still citing Briebart as a reliable journalistic view?

@seawulf575 , You said that she retracted her story about the mall. She did not. What you said was inaccurate.

If Breitbart wanted to get at the story, they should have interviewed other people who were police officers at the time. All they did was hound this one woman. Nevertheless she persisted.

@LostInParadise I apologize and concede I worded it wrong. She did not retract her story about the mall. But she did retract the other parts of her story about Moore’s character. And for the record, I don’t actually visit Brietbart. I happened on the story from a report on it from another website. But here’s the part that all the jellies attacking me about Brietbart are failing to see: They want to slam me for my reference, yet will gladly cite things from CNN (which has falsified stories and videos), MSNBC (which has falsified stories and videos), Huffington Post or the Daily Beast (Which have been shown an enormous political bias) and any number of other such sites. I have questioned them on this and the response I got was very simple…just because you don’t like the website doesn’t make the story less true. The Brietbart interview WAS with the source. They quoted her. It was her story. They stated in the article that they sought out other police that could corroborate her story and they could find none.
And again…I even changed the question to make it more generic and STILL no one will answer it. I guess that is an answer in itself. I will assume, from the answers that I have received from this question is that every jelly on here is afraid to make a simple yes or no answer. Yes false accuser should be punished or No, they shouldn’t. I suspect the reason is that if you say no, they shouldn’t, you realize you are opening a flood gate of lies to come. If you say yes, they should, then you have to admit your hypocrisy for every lie that has come out about a politician that you don’t like.

You have not once linked to a source, any source in this thread. Our mistake was assuming you were referencing Briebart.

And really, disagreeing is not attacking. It’s disagreeing.

You have to post sources if you want us to take you seriously @seawulf575. Otherwise we’re left to our own thoughts about what your motivations could be for spreading fake news and making stuff up.

@seawulf757 Let’s admit the facts: You have her word and nothing else on any of these claims.
Let’s admit another fact: You have his word and nothing else on any of these claims.

It seems to me from reading the Breitbart article that its purpose is to support Roy Moore by trying to discredit one of the witnesses against him. All Breitbart says is that Faye Gary’s claims are unsubstantiated. It doesn’t say they are untrue. Moreover the statements quoted by Breitbart were made by Faye “in a Breitbart News Interview”. I would like to hear exactly what was said in that interview and whether these statements were volunteered by Faye or whether, as I suspect, she was manipulated into saying them. Breitbart has not made the interview available.

It is a nasty article that is clearly slanted against the witness. The word “implodes” in the title tells us that as Faye did nothing of the sort. I think the repercussions should be that we all never read Breitbart again.

And the congregation said, “AMEN!”

@seawulf575. Moore is more than welcome to sue the woman for slander. How else do you propose to punish her?

@chyna so it is your belief that he should be guilty until he proves his innocence? Please be careful before answering that!

@flutherother This is just another in the long list of accusations against Moore that are falling apart. And this one has been challenged repeatedly You can get bunched up because Brietbart did the interview…I get it. I have seen liberal outlets do the same slants. But when Ms Gary first came out with her accusations, a lot of investigation went into substantiating them. What they found was that there are no cops that remember anything about Moore and Cheerleaders and the management of the mall has no record of any ban on him and none of the security guards had heard anything like that.
The witnesses against Moore are all falling apart as people dig into their stories. The 14 year old that was molested by Moore claimed they would talk using the phone in her room. Her own mother said she never had a phone in her room. She (the mother) did say, and the court records substantiate her, that the child was out of control and had to be taken from her because she could no longer deal with her. The girl that claimed she was 15 and then changed it to 16 and working as a waitress claimed Moore took her out back of the diner where it was secluded and effectively raped her. The owner of the diner pointed out that it has been Alabama state law that she could never have worked there as a 15 year old. That accounts for the change to 16. Then the owner of the diner also pointed out, with pictures, that there is no and never has been, any secluded area behind the diner…it is positioned that all sides are open to easy line of site to the street and are all well lit.
I also find an interesting correlation to another of your statements. You say that the article didn’t say they were false but said they were unsubstantiated. Yet I just got done with another jelly pointing out that that is the exact same excuse the media uses to say that Trump is lying. So how is it that if Trump says something that is unsubstantiated, it is a lie, and when someone accusing Roy Moore says something unsubstantiated, it’s still true? Very inconsistent.

@stanleybmanly Thank you. You have given a solid answer to the question. I’m trying to get a feeling for how people view false accusations.

It’s a rocky road. If you can prove, beyond a doubt, that she made false allegations then there should be some jail time. I mean, there is a fine, at least, for filing a false police report.
But the other side is, many women would be afraid to come forward, even with true allegations.

The thing is @seawulf575, is you’re basing you whole argument on one article by a sensational tabloid.

@seawulf575 , One more time. As you yourself conceded, Faye Gary did not take back what she said about the mall. She did not take back anything. The strongest condemnation that Breitbart accused her of is not having specifics on hand. She could not recall at the moment specific things that Moore said that show he is bigoted. So what. If the mall story is false then Gary should be forced to pay damages. I do not see this as a crime requiring jail time. If Moore is guilty of child rape, as he has been accused, he should be tossed in the slammer.

@seawulf575 you might wish that Trump’s aberrations amounted merely to unsubstantiated utterances and declarations, but you will never find another human being striving as ardently to convince the world that NOTHING he has to say should be accepted as the truth.

@seawulf575 In your question you say that Faye Gary “made it all up” but even Breitbart doesn’t go that far. Breitbart only says her claim was unsubstantiated and that I can believe as I can’t find any news sources that offer confirmation. That essentially is the story, the rest of it is simply bad journalism.

The testimony of the women who claim Moore assaulted them is available elsewhere and readers can make up their own minds as to how reliable these witnesses are.

As for Trump if you can point out an instance where he has told the truth I would be surprised.

@Dutchess_III The article chosen is a distraction because too many people focus on hating Breitbart instead of thinking about the question. You thought about the question and I thank you for your response.

@LostInParadise She did take back some of what she said. She originally claimed Moore hated Jews and blacks and that he is a racist. She admitted that there was no evidence for that, just her feeling. So you have her admitting she had no evidence for those claims and there has been no substantiation for the rest. At what point does she lose credibility?
As for any punishment, I haven’t asked that she be imprisoned. I asked if people make false accusations, should they be punished? I even mentioned that slander is typically a civil issue so that could be the answer. They could get sued.

She was put on the spot during the interview.. The woman is entitled to her opinions, as long as she does not use false information to back them up. There are plenty of bigots in government, including the President. Those charges pale in comparison to those related to possible sexual misconduct by Moore.

What Faye thinks Moore thinks about Jews, Blacks or Muslims is really beside the point and seems to be an attempt to discredit her and by extension the testimony of the other woman who have come forward with more direct experience of Moore’s behaviour.

Even though Breitbart’s interview with Faye has not been made public the fragments of transcript Breitbart has released are damning enough. Klein asked Fay “what about the Jews” and Faye’s reply is that she doesn’t know what Moore has said about the Jews. That is Faye’s answer but not content with that later in the interview Klein says “and you are sure he hates Jews?” Talk about putting words in someone’s mouth.

@flutherother here is a bit more of the story:

“Speaking in a Breitbart News interview on Wednesday, Gary falsely claimed that Moore “wanted to keep segregation here in the south.”

She then claimed that Moore “hates Jews. He hates blacks. He hates Muslims. He hates gays.”

When challenged for specifics, Gary conceded that “I don’t know exactly what he said about Jews, but he doesn’t like Muslims. I know he doesn’t like Muslims. It is my personal feeling that he doesn’t like blacks.”

When further petitioned to support her charges, especially her claim that Moore “hates blacks” and supports segregation, Gary further admitted, “I am not sure. That is my feeling.” [Source: Breitbart]”

You can’t claim he wants to keep segregation, he hates Jews, he hates Muslims, and he hates Blacks, then, when challenged on it say you aren’t sure and that it’s just your feeling. Well, you can, but to claim the interviewer put words in her mouth? Nope, sorry. She let the words out. The interviewer just pressed her for justification. Talk about trying to stretch things….

@LostInParadise Okay…so your stance on the question is that you can make up whatever you like about someone as long as you don’t actually provide false information to back it up? Hhmmm…I’m trying to figure out where that falls on the spectrum. So it’s okay to say someone raped you as long as you don’t try falsifying facts to back up your claim? So the claim is enough? I’m struggling here…what is it that you are actually trying to say?

@seawulf575 I would still be interested in seeing the full interview or at least a full transcript of it. You will notice that in the part of the transcript Breitbart chose to reveal to us the word “hate” is introduced by Klein, the Breitbart interviewer, and not by Faye his interviewee. The entire article is driven by an agenda and is in any case a red herring which has little or nothing to do with Faye’s recollections of her days with the Alabama police.

I’m leaving. @seawulf575 Is too ridiculous to even talk to any more.

BTW, the end of the world will come on Saturday. Breitbart said so.

^I just bought a new jacket. For many here in Charleston, the world WILL end Saturday… The temperature will plummet, to 30°f!!!!

Good bye cruel world…......

@flutherother I, too, would like to see the full interview. I would ALWAYS like to see the full interview. I believe that way the reader would get a clear picture of how things went.
As for the agenda being driven by agenda, that might be true. But then so are most of the reports from ABC, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, and all the rest. If you ever watch CNN, most of their stories tell a part of a story and then expand it with innuendo, not fact. “This COULD be…” is used an awful lot. They drive most of their stories by agenda. And I get that you don’t like the conservative agenda, I don’t ask you to like it. But when Breitbart is quoting the woman and the questions, if they are making it up, she could sue them, and could easily win, for libel. That hasn’t happened, so I can, at least for now, surmise that part is true. And that is where she stated that she didn’t have any proof of her claims of Moore’s opinions about blacks or Jews, just her feelings. That sounds amazingly like her entire claim is driven from agenda, doesn’t it?

Bye, @Dutchess_III

@MrGrimm888 I understand. I had to put on a coat to walk the dog this morning. Ugh!!