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What would Jesus think of Trump?

Asked by MrGrimm888 (19541points) January 11th, 2018

My understanding of Jesus, is that he frowned upon the rich, and manipulative.

Would Jesus be a Trump supporter?

Does Trump parallel, or represent Christian values?

If not, where do the paths fork?

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flutherother's avatar

The only time Jesus lost his temper was when he chased the money changers from the Temple. The anger he felt is the anger we all should feel when we see the White House occupied by self-serving businessmen and money changers.

Matthew 21:12–13

stanleybmanly's avatar

Well it’s certain that Trump flunks the eye of the needle the test, but before we can content ourselves with the satisfaction that the orange man will surely burn in hell, it might pay to remember that Jesus was a big fan of children. So how is a man with the emotional makeup and intellectual equipment of a 6 year old to be judged? Christian values? There isn’t enough depth to Trump to even begin a conversation on such subjects. If confronted with the question, you can rest assured that Trump (regardless of his answer) would find the topic beyond profound. You might just as well seek such answers on the character of your dog or goldfish. When it comes to the subject of Trump and God, the best I can come up with is to stare in disbelief and dwell on the safe fallback of “the Lord works in mysterious ways”

zenvelo's avatar

Jesus would not express an opinion on Trump, but rather would ignore him. He would most likely continue to help the poor and the suffering and urge His followers to do the same.

SergeantQueen's avatar

That Trump is better God than his dad is

kritiper's avatar

“Another likely candidate for a crown of thorns.”

stanleybmanly's avatar

He’s certainly OUR crown of thorns.

KNOWITALL's avatar

I think Jesus would NOT approve of Trump, we are to be humble servants at all times. The laying of hands on Trump was apparently more hopeful than anything.

flutherother's avatar

Jesus healed the sick and expected no money in return. Not like Trump.

NomoreY_A's avatar

Im not big on any brand of religion but I often think that the much speculated upon Anti Christ guy could take over the US with no coersion at all. All he’d have to do is run for POTUS on an anti lgbt / anti immigrant / anti working poor platform, and Evangelical Christians (Reg.U.S.Pat.Off.) would follow him off the cliff like the Pied Piper and never know they were being had.

flutherother's avatar

And what would Trump think of Jesus? An extremist loser from a shithole country probably.

seawulf575's avatar

Jesus would not think badly of Trump. He didn’t think badly of Ceasar. Matthew 22:21 says “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”

NomoreY_A's avatar

In Trumps mind, he probably has God and Caesar both – trumped?

flutherother's avatar

@seawulf575 God forbid the Trump head should ever appear on a dollar coin.

NomoreY_A's avatar

It would have to be a gold coin, nothing but the best for Chump.

MrGrimm888's avatar

@seawulf575 . How do you interpret that passage?

seawulf575's avatar

I interpret that passage to mean that God and Jesus weren’t concerned with the goings on of man’s physical world. They were concerned with ensuring every man was given a chance to find heaven (happiness). Their view was that happiness and everlasting peace can only be attained through God. Jesus was pointing out the things that man wants and the things that God wants and why you need to focus on the one’s God wants. As it pertains to this discussion, if Jesus were around today, he would have commented on Trump not at all.

MrGrimm888's avatar

^Thank you.

LostInParadise's avatar

He would tell Satan, “This one is for you.”

Yellowdog's avatar

What did the Clinton’s do with the money my church raised for Haiti?

Over 100 million into the Clinton’s coffer and none to Haiti.

You can judge and condemn Trump but at least he made his billions without pretending he was raising money for hurricane victims for Haiti. That’s what YOUR gal did.

MrGrimm888's avatar

^She isn’t “my” gal. I never cared much for her.

Trump ran a fake university. Amongst other shady dealings. Hence the question. If Hillary was POTUS, I may have asked about her. I doubt she would have publicly shamed the country habitually, but who knows…

Yellowdog's avatar

My church has beef with her. My church’s Vacation Bible School and childrens’ ministries raised a lot of money the summer of 2009 for hurricane relief for Haiti. For political reasons I urged them to give the money through some other agency or ministry but they decided to go with Hillary because she is a United Methodist. The church has discovered that the money never went to Haiti except 100 thousand to fund a privately owned cotton gin. United Methodist ministries demanded accountability but I think have given up by now. The Clintons enriched themselves off the 100 million raised for Haiti. I don’t think the United Methodists support the Clinton foundation for this reason.

MrGrimm888's avatar

^Yep. Our morally superior politicians at work….

LostInParadise's avatar

@Yellowdog, Is there a link to that story? I find it hard to believe. I did a search for it and found this Wikipedia article that suggests corruption, but nothing like what you are claiming.

flutherother's avatar

@Yellowdog If I helped raise money for Haitian hurricane relief and then found it had been given to some other worthy cause I would be extremely annoyed. The Clinton Foundation does work on climate change, economic development and global health as well as give support to small businesses and disaster relief in Haiti.

The money raised should have been directed to an agency such as MSF where it could be used for the purposes for which it was raised. I can appreciate your annoyance but I doubt whether the Clintons personally benefited from the money you raised.

SimpatichnayaZhopa's avatar

Jesus never actually existed, so no one can tell what a fictional character might think of anyone, except the writers who wrote fiction about him, and they are all long dead.

MrGrimm888's avatar

^It was a hypothetical question…

Yellowdog's avatar

Some people use anything to make their point.

What about Paul’s letters? The science of ancient manuscripts and fragments?? They exist. In the 70–90 A.D. era, A lot of people believed Jesus existed Jesus and Trump both espouse individual liberties and de-centralization of government, but that’s the only significant similarity. Might as well ask what would Julius Caesar think of The Beatles.

MrGrimm888's avatar

^I disagree. The question is meant for one to contemplate what a person/god, viewed as a moral representative would think about Trump. Most of Trump’s supporters, are Christian. Jesus is supposed to be important to those people.
I wanted to know honestly what believers think their deity (whom they base their own beliefs on) would think of such a man.
Trump seems to be the opposite type of person, that people claiming morality is important would support.

Ceazar was not a god. The Beatles aren’t the POTUS. I fail to see the parallels with my question…

Yellowdog's avatar

You are asserting the premises that Donald J Trump is a reprehensible, immoral world leader who harms a lot of people. There is really no evidence for this premises aside from a never-ending barrage of namecalling and fabrications from the left. In fact, Donald Trump has supported the cause of Christians and American populists.

MrGrimm888's avatar

“No evidence? ” Most of the behavior or rhetoric that I find reprehensible, is coming straight from Trump’s mouth on TV, or his Twitter account. Nothing has been fabricated…

MrGrimm888's avatar

Yes Trump supports his base.

SimpatichnayaZhopa's avatar

Most Americans I know think Trump is much better as president than Obama was or Hillary would be. I see Trump’s posts on Twitter, and I fail to see how anyone could call them reprehensible unless he was blindly biased against him and tries hard to find fault with anything Trump may say or do as is the habit of the liberal media that indoctrinates many people so they become mindless puppets.

MrGrimm888's avatar

^Statistically, Trump’s approval ratings would suggest that a minority of the country agrees with “most Americans” you know. Perhaps broadening your company would help you.

If you are aware of his Twitter ramblings, and still don’t find him reprehensible, you may be beyond help…

SimpatichnayaZhopa's avatar

I use twitter and I see his tweets. How anyone can claim they are reprehensible is confusing. You are evidently the one who is beyond help as a n brainwashed puppet of liberal media. There are false statistic in abundance. Your liberal media’s polls are contrived against Trump. I said. “Most Americans I know”, and they are intelligent humans, not brainwashed zombies of the liberal media.

SergeantQueen's avatar

I like you @SimpatichnayaZhopa Please stay on Fluther.

SimpatichnayaZhopa's avatar

Thank you. I am glad someone wants me. One hateful person told me to leave the country.

MrGrimm888's avatar

^They were just showing you how you sound. It wasn’t genuine.

SergeantQueen's avatar

^They were just showing you how you sound. It wasn’t genuine.

Not wanting people who are here illegally to stay in America and get all the benefits plus more isn’t bad, racist, or anything of the sort. It’s reasonable and smart.

MrGrimm888's avatar

It is on the DACA thread, I think. Feel free to view it.

I would be happy to continue this line of debate there.

SergeantQueen's avatar

Not interested. I know I am right.

MrGrimm888's avatar

Well. Then you don’t know what I’m even referring to.

SimpatichnayaZhopa's avatar

Da, SergeantQueen is correct. Illegal means against the law, and some liberals defy laws, so they deserve prison. Illegals should not draw welfare, vote, have sanctuary, etc., and they do not have citizens’ rights. They should have been deported immediately, rather than violating laws for years. There is no argument against following the law. If you claim the law is unjust and violate it, you are still a criminal. You are not the ones who make laws, and I think you have ideas that make you too naïve and biased to be capable of making beneficial laws.

stanleybmanly's avatar

My problem with that line of thought is this: It’s both sensible and logical to follow the laws, including those around immigration. The trouble comes when I am confronted with an individual in this country illegaly and working harder than I will ever have to and paying taxes supporting MY social security benefits as well as his own that he will never collect. And as I have stated here on many occasions, I will NEVER deliberatey rat out anyone, illegal or not for doing EXACTLY what I would do if I were in their shoes. If they are caught and deported, it must be without my participation let alone my enthusiasm. If they have the grit to run the gauntlet to get here, that achievement is one crime my conscience will allow me to neither prosecute nor exploit.

SimpatichnayaZhopa's avatar

There are no excuses for violating laws. These people should have been deported long ago. They are unrealistic to imagine they can evade the laws forever. Sympathy for lawbreakers is badly misplaced. They should have been working hard where they belong. Not reporting illegal activity makes you an accomplice to it. I wonder why there is so much preference for some illegals. Some people have been indoctrinated, and the deep purpose is not good.

stanleybmanly's avatar

The people arriving here illegally seem to have discovered “excuses” enough to justify the hellish experiences and considerable risks in doing so. The country is besieged by people who are clearly desperate, and it should be clear by now that no threat short of a plight worse than the misery driving them here will check the flow. Perhaps we should summarily execute the “criminals” and put them out of their misery.

MrGrimm888's avatar

I’m glad that the US was legally acquired from the native Americans. Otherwise, all the anti-immigrants crowd would be thieves, and hypocrites…

SimpatichnayaZhopa's avatar

Native Americans had no immigration laws. Some of them welcomed settlers. Read your history and stop using illogical arguments. There are no time machines to go back and change the past, so concentrate on now, rather than diversions.

MrGrimm888's avatar

Wrong again. Natives had agreements over territory, and trade. They just weren’t the type that the Europeans used. Read your history. They weren’t savages. Look into history of South, and North American civilizations. Many were quite large, and well organized. Some of the largest civilizations in history, were in central, and south America. There were vast cities in the American Midwest as well…

The process which netted the majority of the US, was invented. People were living there. They painfully naive to European warfare, expansionism. Way behind. That was their downfall… The US was stolen. Like almost every nation…

Yellowdog's avatar

I think we should give it all back. What you say?

We even stole land from birds and martens and rats

MrGrimm888's avatar

Hard to give it back, when natives are mostly gone. The crime is already committed.

Yellowdog's avatar

We could move back to where ever our ancestors are from.

MrGrimm888's avatar

I’d love that. I do have some Cherokee in me. Maybe it’s enough to let me stay. It’ll be great again, when all the Europeans are gone. But would Europe take the immigrants? ...

SimpatichnayaZhopa's avatar

I can hardly believe such mindless dialogs as I see here. No humans evolved in the Americas, so even the “Native Americans” are descended from immigrants. Send them back to Asia. This is as reasonable a anything I se here. Conquerors write history and own what they conquer until someone conquers them. Someone wants Europeans to leave. Let him try to chase them away! Ha ha ha ha! Who will pay you welfare if all Europeans leave?

Yellowdog's avatar

I think its about who got here first (Asians) not who evolved here.

SimpatichnayaZhopa's avatar

Humans are not native to North and South America. Who built it into an advanced nation? “Native Americans” were in the Stone age until Europeans came.

MrGrimm888's avatar

^So. A aboriginal people should meet a societal bench mark, or they should be destroyed?

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