McCain or Obama?

Note to self: fix search.

I didn’t find it when I searched for it.

Barack Obama. Mostly because I like the gays.

:)

Watch the civil forum at Saddleback Church where they will both be there (at different times)
http://www.saddlebackcivilforum.com

I will be voting for Obama. Eight years of Bush was enough.

http://www.fluther.com/disc/19464/obama-or-mccain/

In Elumas’s defense, a search for “mccain obama” revealed nothing.

Does it search for exact phrases?

Has to be Obama!

Obama, hands down.

also see this thread for more answers. Obama for me of course.

Ron Paul

The other 2 aren’t very good choices

I’m voting for Barry.

Dr. Ron Paul
The Defender of our Constitution

I still don’t know how I’m going to vote. Normally I know almost right away.

@dragonfly then you REALLY need to watch the cicil forum!

Fun fact: Ron Paul dropped out.

ok I forgot Ron Paul is out since corporate mainstream media didn’t like him so he didn’t get much coverage.
...my second choice is than McCain because he’s anti-abortion etc.

@seVen;
You realize that the anti abortion stand was a flip flop to get elected on the Republican ticket don’t you? Will you change your mind if he chooses a pro life running mate?

I don’t care about what they’re thinking, flip flopping, ect.
I care about what they will DO!

well as long as he stays prolife , I ‘ve done my part and am free from guilt when he’ll be consistent with it at election time.

@Elumas
Have you been able to sort through what they Will do to get elected and what they WILL do after they’re elected? They may not be the same, especially for McCain who is so old he would probably be a lame duck from the start. I doubt he would be able to do a second term, or even want to.

During the Clinton administration, abortions were less frequent then they were during the terms of both Reagan and the two Bushs. How could this possibly be when these presidents were/are anti-abortion? Because the economy wasn’t shit and people could actually afford to have children. I can understand if you think abortion is an important issue, but no single issue should be a deciding factor for anyone, at least in my opinion. It’s a matter of not taking in the big picture.

Also, I’m voting for Obama.

I see your point Judi, but as well you must consider the fact that Obama is new to the game and therefore less expirienced. I really in the end have no say, as I am only 14, but as I stated before McCain is in my mind the best. I hold a very conservative stance ie. Anti abortion, pro offshore drilling, ect. ect.

Lincoln was “new to the game” when he was elected. Just something to think about.

Good point.

And John McCain is in fact so old he isn’t even part of this cultural time period. He is not a part of it, he doesn’t understand it, and he won’t know how to deal with it.

I will be voting for Obama, the lesser of two evils. And, my two cents on the abortion issue. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and moral stance on this. They are NOT, however, entitled to use their political office to impose their personal morals on others. I do not feel the government has any right to decide what a woman can do with her body.

Meh, age is a bad argument against McCain.

I’d vote for George McGovern in a second and that man is now 86.

@ Eureka: Well said, well said.

@seVen: .....no!

How can anyone choose a candidate based on a small, single social position (abortion, gay marriage, death penalty), considering the state of our country right now? That makes me fucking sick.

John McCain has never used a computer. He has never sent an e-mail, has never read a blog or contributed an article. How in touch could he possibly be with the way the people of this country conduct their day to day life? He makes references in speeches to countries that have not existed for almost 20 years. I am not as concerned about his physical age as I am of his mental state of mind.

@trumi;
Great observation (Lurve to you)
McCain has to have someone else open his email for him. He really IS out of touch. Plwase don’t ask him to google anything!

@Eureka
Lurve to you too!

Maybe abortion should be legal, but atleast make the battle fair. I have heard many media publications going around shouting “abortion is the only modern way, don’t worry you won’t go through emotional trauma, and like many who repress these feelings kill themselves…”
Honestly it sickens me that people have abortions. Honestly it sickens me that the state of modern media is so that it can with a straight face tell you that it’s safe or even moral to have an out of wedlock child.

Only my opinion though.

@elumas – I respect your opinion on abortion – you are entitled to it. However, the fact that you are against it doesn’t mean that everyone is, or should be. It is a personal decision, as is a single person having a child. I haven’t heard it referred to as “out of wedlock” for a long time, and I really don’t understand you saying it isn’t safe. I know a lot of single people who are raising their children as well as, or in some cases, better than, married couples.

Elumas;
I hate abortion too. I was pregnant as a teenager and could never imagine killing my child. I have also held the hand of a friend who struggled with the decision. As much as my advice was to save the baby, I had to respect the decision she made and be there to support her through it all. It was not MY decision to make. I am a Christian, but if I judge non Christians for not acting like Christians I am not better than a hypocrite and a Pharisee.

Jesse “The Body” Ventura is not running, so Obama.

Very good points both of you. I as well am a Christian, and I believe my statement was out of line, I should not have judged so harshly and be so narrow minded. I simply harbor a hatred for many of the things the World loves.

By that statement I was referring to Eureka and Judi.

@Elumas, once again, you are entitled to your opinions, they are valid. Abortion is a very painful thing, and I am glad I have never had to make that decision, but I think the women that are faced with it should have a choice. I also harbor a hatred for a lot of the things that the world seems to love – war, torture, innocents suffering and starving.

I stopped following this thread. It’s a Friday afternoon, and the last thing I need is to go home angry.

Girl, you are as entitiled to your opinions as I am.

Jesus never expected non-Christians to act like Christians. He didn’t tell Zacchaeus, “Quit being a tax collector and a sinner, then I’ll come to your house!” He said, “I’m coming to your house TODAY.”
Christians in the last 20 years have had a reputation for being mean and judgmental. Inserting personal behavior issues like this into politics has fueled the hatred and misunderstanding of what our faith is all about. Maybe if we are going to bring our faith into politics, we should bring Matthew 25 into it. Especially 31–46.
http://bible1.crosswalk.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=Matthew+25&section=0&version=niv&new=1&oq=&NavBook=lu&NavGo=19&NavCurrentChapter=19

Wow, thank you, whether that was a reprimand or a testimonial, I believe the same thing exactally, I am faulted by my inaction to show it.
Truly brilliantly said.

@Elumas: Article on the traumatic effects of abortion.

And also, NOBODY likes abortion. That is fucking bullshit. Never say it again. We that call ourselves pro-choice simply believe that it is the mother’s choice. It is not my choice, it is not your choice, it is not the government’s choice. And if you say that it is God’s choice, ask yourself; What would Jesus say about how you “simply harbor a hatred” for so many things.

Because we all know, Jesus taught Hate above all other things.

In the Fluther search engine, type in Obama, (comma does it.)

Elumas;
I truly believe that it is my job as a Christian to show up, and show Christ’s love. The transforming hearts and behavior is the job of the Holy Spirit.

Thank you Gail. I tried to search as many topics as I could related to the election.

@Elu; the search engine hates more than the primary tag and needs the comma. I have searched for questions I have posed and struck out until I tried Fluther.question on Google.

Trumi, I was proved wrong in my hatred. I thank you for your opinion and respect it as well.
Please next time try to keep the obscenities to yourself.

As a response though that study was stacked as it was found to have only surveyed a certain demographic. If you want to tell someone that there is no traumatic effects to abortion please tell my friend from church, who at 60 still cries at night regretting her decision.

Elumas;
So do I have your vote for Obama (lol)

I’m 14.

I’ll be heading off to highschool in the Fall.

Elumas;
A lot of young people are working on his campaign! It’s a grass roots effort!!

Eh, I vote Jesus on this one.

If you ask McCain’s latest add that would be voting for Obama He adds a little Moses and takes Obama’s speaches out of context.

I’m gay. I have little chance of having an unwanted pregnancy, yet I am adamantly pro-choice. If you don’t want one, don’t have one. But, do not take the option away from others. You cannot judge unless you are in that person’s position.

Plus, the government has absolutely no right to legislate what we can and cannot do with our bodies. And, the anti-choice movement stands on a religious platform. Religion has no place in our government.

I vote for whoever does this better: Matthew 25:35–36
” For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

I didn’t say I agreed with the article, I was just making sure you had read it. Also, the finding was that the risk of mental health was no greater than if the child is born, not that there was no risk. We all know it can be a very painful thing. And, could you give me some evidence that the panel of the American Psychological Association is “stacked”?

Also, is it possible that part of the reason your friend cries every night is that the Catholic Church (and several Protestant sects) believe that her aborted fetus went to hell? Maybe if the bible didn’t tell her how wicked and evil she is for murdering the child she wouldn’t be as upset?

Furthermore, my point was that I don’t like abortion. I don’t like it, and I wish it never happened. That being said, I fully support a woman’s right to one.

Lastly, the Fluther guidelines say “R-Rated is okay, just keep it tasteful.” Sometimes when people infer that they are being called baby-killers, they tend to get a little heated, and may swear. I apologize for saying the word “fuck”.

Tiny, may I remind you Government is based upon the foundings of religion, I respect your opinion, but just as well where do you think we got the law that says murder is illegal. It wasn’t from nowhere.

Thank you Trumi, she and I both believe in the prodestant way of thinking that the fetus goes to Heaven. She doesn’t think she is evil and wicked at all. She has a love for her child and simply regrets that decision, at the time she was into HARD drugs and was very promiscous. That, moreover is what she regrets even though she has been forgiven by God.

Our government is based on a lot of things. Particularly the Magna Carta and the ideals of John Locke and Baron de Montesquieu.

May I remind you that the KKK was based off religion?

You are also entitiled to your choice of words, I hold a belief many others who do not that those who cannot express themselves toughtfully, swear.

So are are the anti-abortion folks cool with paying higher taxes so that all children born can have quality healthcare, education, nutrition, clothing, and shelter? Or do you stop giving a fuck after the cord is cut?

So, how about them Mets?

@Elumas; Good for you, sticking up for the President. It’s not his fault he can’t think good.

btw, its Protestant

Many things good and bad (including but not limited to the Church) have been born of Religion. That can be said of many things in this World. Ultimately though the basis of Religion at its purest form, is incorruptible by anything but the World.

Let’s be nice here. We will probably never change any one’s mind on this issue, but maybe if we are civil in our discourse we will all gain a broader understanding of not only the opposing opinion, but learn to articulate our own.

John, Obama is the one for higher taxes.

That go to illegals.

“Goes”, sorry.

No nevermind i was correct.

Elumas;
Jesus never complained about high taxes. He actually said, not to sweat it. worry about bigger things.

True, but I’m not the one worrying.

@Elumas; John is saying that we should raise taxes, and that many anti-abortion people believe in lowering them despite the negative effect that will have on the child’s life. And sorry, I’m sort of slow, what goes to who?

@Judi; Actually, I’ve converted a number of High School students to the pro-choice ideology. One of them during lunch.

Elumas;
But you SHOULD worry about these things: For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
If it means higer taxes then I should pay my share “To whom much has been given, much is required.”

True.

But for those who CHOOSE not to work hard and therefore earn their share. Should we help them as well.

And I sadly must leave you with that as I must go home now, and my Dad’s my ride.
(I can’t drive yet)

Isn’t it sad that the richest most wonderful nation in the world can find money to fight a war for oil but we are the only industrialized nation in the world where health care is a privilege instead of a right? Education is a right why shouldn’t health care be one too?

Jesus said “There will be poor always”

@Elumas

whooosh

First of all, no president is going to ‘fix’ everything. That is not his job. The president carries out the laws that are passed by the Congress. He might propose issues to be addressed, but constitutionally it is up to Congress to propose bills, hold hearings, carry out investigations, and then make the laws. It is then the president’s job to make sure those laws are enforced. It is the job of the Amreican people to make sure that Congress and the president are doing their jobs with the power of the vote. For a long time the American electorate has not been doing IT’S job. Most of us pay closer attention to how much celebutants are eating and kid games played by grown men than what our government is doing.

Since 1980, the biggest problem we have faced in this country has faced has been the rampant runaway debt, both national and personal in this country. When we elected a president who addressed that issue and was beginning to make a difference, all we cared about was his personal life, who he was sleeping with and why he let his wife speak her mind. Then we promptly elect a man who promised to do the opposite. At least on that point he was honest, instead of screwing groupies, he screwed the entire population.

Since 1968, we have twice reelected proven liars to the presidency. We refuse to elect candidates who tell us unpleasant truths. In the final analysis the only way all our problems will be solved is if the majority of Americans as individuals and as a group take responsibility for those problems.

The first thing is stop allowing ourselves be manipulated by fear. We have allowed our current administration take us into a war with patent lies about threats against our security, meanwhile we are ineffective in addressing the threat of international terrorists. Even worse we have allowed our constitutional rights be taken away because of fear.

The second thing is stop letting ourselves be ruled by greed. The only way this country will remain a first class nation is if we are all in this together. If 25% of us do not have the necessities of jobs, health care, education and decent shelter then it doesn’t matter how much cheap crap we can buy from Asia through Walmart. The current housing crisis is the product of greed, ignorance and the failure to hold the financial industry accountable.

The third thing is to start paying attention to what is important to the country not our individual religious beliefs. Thirty years ago, it became obvious that reliance on fossil fuels was not going to be feasible in the long run. Instead of seeking alternatives we increased our dependence. We could have developed a wide range of alternative resources in three decades so that today we would have been energy independent. Instead a significant number of us vote based on what a candidate says about birth control or who sleeps with who.

So the question is not who is going to fix things but who will encourage, facilitate and lead US to fix things.

I would like to propose a moratorium on the “experience” excuse. The system is crap full of corrupt old timers who came up through a corrupt dysfunctional old timer system. It is broken and outdated. The person who takes charge needs not only to be able to fix it with out succumbing to every last one of the “old time” ways, and I know you have to play the old way for a while and slowly make progress, but he has to have a clue how to proceed in todays world.

As Eureka and Judi pointed out Mccain is very out of touch about the fastest growing broadest used technology in the world. Oh, and by his own admition the economy.

I will be voting for Obama because not only do I believe he is about change, unlike any candidate, dem or rep before him in my memory, he has people believing in change to.

I will be voting for Obama. I feel Bush did a lot of harm, and this country needs a new direction.

I agree with the people who have said that you cannot select a person to vote for just based on a single issue such as abortion. Further, people who have abortion at the top of their politics list need to re-think what government is all about.

Politicians esp. ones who say they are anti-abortion (“pro-life) only say that to get votes of the conservative right wing because if you know anything about history or about law, you know that it is unfeasible for the abortion laws in this country to switch from pro-choice to anti-abortion.

First History:
Pro-choice is an idea that has evolved out of ideas that women are equal to men. Such ideas are histoically very recent. One of the earliest writers to suggest that perhaps women have the same mental capacity of men is a man named Francois Poullain de la Barre who wrote “On the Equality of the Two Sexes” in 1673. That seems like a long time ago but considering that agricultural civilizations have been around since about 10000 BC, over all it is not very long ago that these ideas were first presented.

But they were rejected by western thought until I would say around the 1900’s when women began the sufferage movement. Mississippi was the last state of the 48 states to ratify the 19th amendment that gave women the right to vote on March 22, 1984!

This is just to lay out the fact that for thousands of years women were not considered contributing members of society, but essentially “Baby Carriers.” They were not equal and often times the sole purpose of a woman was to get married and have [male] babies so that the man’s name could be passed on.

Seond The Law:

The Supreme court’s ruling on Roe v. Wade is not a question of whether abortion is legal or not. It is a question about privacy, and due process (the 14th Ammendment). The court said, “We, therefore, conclude that the right of personal privacy includes the abortion decision, but that this right is not unqualified and must be considered against important state interests in regulation.” Basically the State does not have a vested interest in the health of a soon to be mother because each and every american has the right to self determintaion. The State does not have “interest strong enough to support any limitation upon the woman’s sole determination.”

So it has been ruled by the Supreme Court that forcing a women to have the baby is Unconstitutional.

In other words “pro-life” is unconstitutional.

With that little history lesson in mind, and the case law on abortion it is VERY unlikely that our US government could over turn the ruling.

Pro-Life canidates know this better than most (because many politicians are lawyers), so they know how unlikely it is for such a law to be changed, BUT! They DO KNOW that MOST “common” folks DON’T KNOW the history and the law, so they can EASILY get your vote by simply saying they are pro-life.

All they have to do is propse a bill here and there to make us think they are actually doing something. But all those bills have failed…

Who cares if our canidates are pro-life, it won’t change, and they just want your vote to get elected or re-elected….

Do your home work, Think critically.

p.s. Obama (what a surprise huh!?)

(sorry that was so long. it is a complex issue)

I’d be put before a firing squad if I answered….I’m Canadian….

Obama…..phew that felt good! skulking away…tail between legs

Neither I am starting to develop a dislike for both of them. So I’ll stay home and sleep on election day

Why don’t you go vote and just abstain from the presidential ticket?
There are other very important things on your ballot.

And it is more a change in party that may matter rather than Obama. I think he is smart enough to appoint intelligent and qualified people to the important posts.

@ gailcalled – I agree 100%! There was an example of where he already did just that. I am trying to find.

Just read where Gramm is back in the McCain camp. This is the guy that pushed the mortgage industry deregulation legislation. You are known by the company you keep.

mccain by far, obama has no clue what goes on in Irac, so he has no say into what to do he dosent know how it feels to be out there . mccain on the other hand did his time, he knows how it feels to be out there in Irac fighting.

It’s Iraq.

Ok, so McCain is a war hero, that does not automatically qualify him to be president.
irac!

I never said that would qualify him, I’m just saying they would have a different view on Iraq if they have actually faught and surved their country.

Fought and served?

this is just a comment.

When you think about the intricacies of the office and what it takes to run a country, the system and the number of and type of people involved in it, what the hell kind of chance does anyone have of success.

It truly boggles the mind.

@lacrosse: He certainly does have a different view on Iraq than Obama, it’s just not one that I agree with. At all.

It’s funny that you mentioned Gramm and the company you keep. How about Rev. Right, Bill Ayers, etc.?

@lacrosse: it is not a requirement that a person running for president serve in the military. Many great presidents did not serve (clinton, john adams, FDR…etc). just as many great ones did serve.

BUT many presidents were generals, which is incredibly different than what McCain served as, which is a Lt. Commander, not very impressive (though it is a tad higher than what Mr. GW bush was ranked…). And that is not a position that would give him particular knowledge about war strategy.

to say that mccain can do the job due to his military experience is basically the same as saying a cop can be the president because of his training and his status as a non-civilian…

that is just silly!

winblowzxp:
Senator Obama disavowed everything Rev Wright said in his infamous sermon and cut all connection to the man who had been the pastor of his church. His connection with Bill Ayers is they both served on community committees drawn from from a wide range of people over 10 years ago. At the time Ayers was a scholar at the University and represented academia. Neither man was ever a part of the Obama campaign.

On the other hand Rev Hagee, a well-known anti-Semite and attacker of all other religions beside his own, was sought out by Senator McCain as an endorser and advisor. Phil Gramm was brought into the McCain campaign as vice chair and chief economic advisor while he was lobbying for laws to protect financial organizations who had issued sub-prime mortgages. While Gramm was in Congress he is most infamous for legislation deregulating mortgage companies, which was instrumental in the current housing mess, and for the law that included the Enron loophole which deregulated the energy industry and led to the Enron debacle that cost thousands their jobs, retirement funds and cost millions of Americans increased energy fees. Gramm was forced to resign his chairmanship but he is still advising McCain who admits he knows nothing about the economy. If McCain is elected, Gramm may end up as chairman of the Federal Reserve or in the Cabinet.

Now let’s all do a little contrast and compare, shall we?

Couldn’t have said it better, galileogirl.

I just went to the Civil forum at Saddleback Church. I was amazed at how good John McCain is at avoiding questions by telling a story.

He’s quite the pro. I noticed that when I saw him speak as well.

True story from McCain’s last visit to Columbus:
“Senator McCain, my family does not have healthcare. What will you do to help us?”
“Well, let me tell you about my Aunt Julia….”

I’m voting for Obama and my husband is voting for him, as well. Both of us hate the direction our country is going and believe it’s time to shake things up. We have our wash list of reason we will be voting for him. To me, is was a much easier decision; however for my husband, he struggled. He has never voted for a democrat and feels that, for the first time, the Republicans have offered nothing to the public. (that scares me…he actually thought Bush might be an ok president!)

So Obama is being advised by Brzenzinski who contemplates America’s domination of Eurasia and successful U.S. foreign policy needing to be forged of ‘a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat…’ (terrorism, anyone?) and McCain is being advised by Scheunemann whom Republican right winger Pat Buchanan believes is committed to using the US military for profit and possibly getting us to fight Russia.

Does it really fucking matter who we vote for? Do “the issues” and “character” really matter if the end result is going to be progression of this war agenda and requisite looting of the US Treasury?

To start with, the Sun has a neocon editorial policy and you have to realize everything they say is seen through that filter. When this article was written McCain was not the neocon candidate. I would be surprised if they are still critical of him now that he is the Republican candidate.

I find the claim that Schuenemann is committed to using the military for profit quite amusing since that is precisely what the Iraq War is all about and however McCain styles himself a maverick, he has been in lockstep with the administration on that issue

Brzenzinski has always been concerned about Putin and his hand-picked successor, Medvedev. While most people treat Russia as militarily impotent, recent events show there is the potential for real trouble there. Both candidates would be well served to have Russian experts among there advisors.

The point of the link was simply to demonstrate the connection b/w Brzenzinski and Obama. Here’s a non-neocon link if that makes you feel better. This article makes my point about the ingredients of Obama’s agenda even further.

Let’s not even pretend that “recent events” were Russia-instigated aggression.

I would like McCain to win, but since I’m 17 and won’t be 18 til January, my vote won’t count til I’m about 21 or 22 in the next election.

I don’t particularly have a problem with Obama, but I prefer McCain to be prez. Obama is less experienced, and used to be Muslim. Now, I’m not saying being Muslim is a bad thing, I’m just saying that the great United States was built upon Christianity and traditional beliefs. I cant completely trust a muslim-born candidate to hold up the original ideals the US was built on. McCain may be old, but I think he’ll be just fine since he chose Sarah Palin as his VP. Besides, McCain is a hero, and did not abandon his fellow soldiers in a foreign prison, even when his captors gave him the opportunity to leave.

Best of luck to both candidates, and we will see in time who America thinks is the best choice.

@dingus – really? McCain was a POW? Yeesh, don’t know how I missed that ;). And Obama never used to be Muslim, not that that should matter at all.

well, PnL, I don’t care how many times mccain’s dedication to this country has come up during this discussion. That’s a matter of great importance. Yes Obama was a Muslim, and converted to Christianity. Like I said, I can’t trust somebody to be prez if they aren’t originally of the Christian faith. Believe me, it does matter. The only non-Christian president we’ve ever had was Kennedy, and we all know he was he was the first catholic president.

So, dingus, no jews or God forbid atheists for president, either?

if they can bring original United States ideals to the table without changing too much, then so be it. The bottom line of my opinion is that I just don’t want Obama in the white house.

Oh yeah, and just because McCain is republican and has had affiliations with the bush family does not mean he’ll run the country just like GWB. You may say, “well just because Obama used to be Muslim doesn’t mean he’ll run the country without classic and traditional American ideals. Oh, and I don’t have a problem really with non Christian presidents, because I think Kennedy was pretty good. And the governor of Minnesota is republican, and spoke at the National Republican Convention and he’s a Jew, a good friend of mine is atheist, and he’s voting fir McCain. So if you think I’ve got something against them, you’re completely wrong. I just think we need another original Christian as president to keep America from changing drastically in the wrong direction.

I don’t think his affiliations with the Bush family mean he will run the country like the Bushes. I think that, by his own admissions from his own mouth, his voting 90% with Bush means he will.

And have not the traditional american ideals grown to encompass those of all the people we have been lucky enough to welcome here? In the end what your proposing is a form a bigotry.

Finally, what specifically are you referring to when you say “original United States ideals” to the tables?

dingus-learn something. Catholics ARE Christians, the church, under papal rule was the original Christian sect. Almost all other Christian churches broke off from the Catholic church in the last 500 years because of political and ritual disagreements, not about the divinity of Christ. So it is appropriate to say that Christians are divided into two groups, Catholics and PROTESTants. Your error is common among people who are limited in their knowledge about history and religion itself.

@dingus: Would you please provide a source proving Obama’s having been a Muslim?

i was going to ask him the same lefteh, but i figured it wouldn’t be worth it

It’s not worth it. He won’t be able to provide one.

He doesn’t need a source! Clearly if you have a zany name like Barack Hussein Obama, you must Muslim, amirite?

I can’t believe that myth is still being bandied about.

Barack is a word in many African languages meaning Blessed just like Asher or Benedict

Hussein is as common a name in Africa and means good looking like Beau or Schaefer

Obama is his father’s surname

So Barack Hussein Obama=Asher Schaefer Klein=Benedict Beau Wilson

Xenophobia is soooo unattractive and just a little ignorant.

Please! Will a meteor, just fall from the sky right now and wipe us out? Please!

Haha amen!

As-Salāmu `Alaykum

Barack is an Arabic word/name. Not African even tho many Africans have this name(due to the spread of islam). It is Arabic. So is Hussein.

Shukran

P.S. Just because you have an Arabic name does not mean you are a Muslim. There are many Cristians in the middle east and Africa with Arabic names.

P.S. Muslim in Arabic means: One who submits to God. So anyone who has faith in the Abrahamic god/Mono by definition is a Muslim.

It is really too bad that Americans only see the demonized version of Muslims. They are really good people. The nicest people I have ever met in my life. I like’em!

Although it’s spelled Christians. I totally agree with, eh, Sunday… on that topic. I think it’s absolutely ridiculous that we classify Muslims as bad people.

The misspell was an accident but, it is true. They did the same thing with Germans, Russians, Vietmanese etc… It is SOP (standard operating procedure) for psy ops. Create fear and watch the seed of fear grow to a country full of war loving idiots. It’s an old school move. Hitler did the same thing. He burnt down a government building and blamed it on the communist and told the people we are under attack and then bam! All of the German people were ready for war.

Sunday: And Patrick is a Catholic name and not an Irish one, right. In case you didn’t know it African and Muslim are not mutually exclusive. And I guess since many Christians claim to submit to God that makes them Muslim too, right. So what’s your point? Mine is that a name is just a title imposed on someone when nobody knows WHO they are.

Apparently you are having a problem with comprehension here.
I’m not going to explain it again.
Have someone else read it for you and maybe then you will understand what I said.
Sorry

Who taught you how to respond to a question? SarAh Palin? Or did you learn in 3rd grade, “If you don’t know I’ M not going to trll you, so there!” LMAO

LOL how cute…

Neither. And by that I don’t mean that I’m a R. Paul supporter

tgf: You are voting for RuPaul? I didn’t know s/he was running!

I would like to point out that this country was not founded upon Christianity. The majority of the founding fathers were deists and for several groups of people, coming to North America was a way to escape the particular type of Christianity that existed in Europe at the time.